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The discussion revolves around proving that the product of two functions in the Sobolev space \( H_0^1(\mathbb{R}) \) also belongs to the same space. The original poster presents a problem involving the closure of smooth functions with compact support and the associated norm. The challenge lies in demonstrating that the product of two such functions remains within the defined space.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the density of smooth functions with compact support and question whether limits of sequences of such functions maintain the property under multiplication. There are discussions about bounding expressions involving the norms and the convergence of various terms.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights into potential approaches and reasoning through the implications of the Sobolev embedding theorem. There is a focus on ensuring that certain terms converge to zero, and while some participants express confidence in their reasoning, others remain cautious about the completeness of the arguments presented.

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Participants note the challenge of working with limits and the lack of uniform boundedness of derivatives in the sequences being considered. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the properties of the Sobolev space and the norms involved.

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Homework Statement


Let [itex]u,v\in H_0^1(\mathbb{R})[/itex], the closure of smooth [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]-valued functions with compact support with respect to the norm defined by [tex]||v||_{1}^2=||v||^2+||v'||^2,[/tex] where [itex]||\cdot||[/itex] is the standard L2 norm. Show that [itex]uv\in H_0^1(\mathbb{R})[/itex].

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Pretty much stuck on this one. Density of smooth functions with compact support likely won't be super helpful since they're also dense in L2, and as far as I know, that space isn't closed under multiplication (if it is, then this exercise is trivial, since then we can just apply Cauchy-Schwartz and use the multiplication in L2 to bound [itex]||uv||[/itex]).

I would appreciate a starting point... :smile:
Thanks!
 
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I expect it to be very easy to show that the set of smooth functions with compact support is closed under multiplication. The problem here is that ##H_0^1(\mathbb R)##, as you have defined it, also contains all the functions that are limits of sequences of such functions. So if u and v are such limits, can you show that uv is too?
 
I think I'm close... By density, let [itex]u_n\rightarrow u, v_n\rightarrow v[/itex] in [itex]H^1(\mathbb{R})[/itex]. We can write [itex]u_nv_n-uv=v_n(u_n-u)+u(v_n-v)[/itex]. Then, to show that [itex]uv\in H_0^1(\mathbb{R})[/itex], it suffices to show
[tex]||v_n(u_n-u)+u(v_n-v)||_1\leq ||v_n(u_n-u)||_1+||u(v_n-v)||_1 \rightarrow 0.[/tex] The first expression to the right of the inequality reads, after expanding,
[tex]\left [\int (v_n^2+v_n'^2)(u_n-u)^2 + 2v_n'v_n(u_n-u)(u_n'-u')+v_n^2(u_n'-u')^2dx \right]^{1/2}[/tex] By the Sobolev imbedding theorem, we have that [itex]v_n[/itex] is uniformly bounded, so we can bound the above integral by
[tex]\int (A+v_n'^2)(u_n-u)^2dx +\int 2Bv_n' |(u_n-u)(u_n'-u')| dx + \int A(u_n'-u')^2dx \\ <br /> = A||u_n-u||+\int v_n'^2(u_n-u)^2dx+2B\int |v_n' (u_n-u)(u_n'-u')| dx +A||u_n'-u'||[/tex]for some constants [itex]A,B[/itex]. The problem is now the two terms in the middle. The left and right-most terms converge to zero because [itex]u_n\rightarrow u[/itex] in H1. If we knew that [itex]v_n'[/itex] was uniformly bounded, then we would be done. Unfortunately, this does not hold (as far as I know); all we know is that [itex]v_n'\rightarrow v'[/itex] in L2.

What next?
 
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christoff said:
By density, let [itex]u_n\rightarrow u, v_n\rightarrow v[/itex] in [itex]H^1(\mathbb{R})[/itex]. We can write [itex]u_nv_n-uv=v_n(u_n-u)+u(v_n-v)[/itex]. Then, to show that [itex]uv\in H_0^1(\mathbb{R})[/itex], it suffices to show
[tex]||v_n(u_n-u)+u(v_n-v)||_1\leq ||v_n(u_n-u)||_1+||u(v_n-v)||_1 \rightarrow 0.[/tex] The first expression to the right of the inequality reads, after expanding,
[tex]\left [\int (v_n^2+v_n'^2)(u_n-u)^2 + 2v_n'v_n(u_n-u)(u_n'-u')+v_n^2(u_n'-u')^2dx \right]^{1/2}[/tex] By the Sobolev imbedding theorem, we have that [itex]v_n[/itex] is uniformly bounded, so we can bound the above integral by
[tex]\int (A+v_n'^2)(u_n-u)^2dx +\int 2Bv_n' |(u_n-u)(u_n'-u')| dx + \int A(u_n'-u')^2dx \\ <br /> = A||u_n-u||+\int v_n'^2(u_n-u)^2dx+2B\int |v_n' (u_n-u)(u_n'-u')| dx +A||u_n'-u'||[/tex]for some constants [itex]A,B[/itex].

OK, think I got it.

The left and right-most quantities converge to zero since [itex]u_n\rightarrow u[/itex] in H1. By Cauchy-Schwartz and the uniform boundedness of [itex](u_n-u)[/itex] (by Sovolev imbedding), [tex]2B\int |v_n' (u_n-u)(u_n'-u')| dx \leq 2B'||v_n'||\cdot||u_n'-u'||\rightarrow 0[/tex] since [itex]v_n'\rightarrow v'[/itex] in L2 and [itex]||u_n'-u'||\rightarrow 0[/itex]. We also have that since [itex]u_n-u[/itex] is continuous and uniformly bounded (Sobolev imbedding theorem), there exists [itex]C(n)\rightarrow 0[/itex] with [itex]||u_n-u||_{∞}\leq C(n)[/itex]. Hence, [tex]\int v_n'^2(u_n-u)^2dx\leq \int v_n'^2\cdot C(n)^2dx = C(n)^2||v_n'||\rightarrow 0\cdot ||v'||=0.[/tex] Therefore, [itex]||v_n(u_n-u)||_1\rightarrow 0[/itex]. Similar computations show that [itex]||u(v_n-v)||_1 \rightarrow 0.[/itex] The result follows.

Is this correct?
 
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The strategy I had in mind starts exactly the way you did it. I was thinking that if the L_2 norm satisfies ##\|fg\|\leq\|f\|\|g\|## for all f,g, then we might be able to use that to show that the other norm satisfies this condition too. This is either impossible, or a significant simplification. (I haven't thought about it enough to know which).

I don't have time to look at the details of your proof right now. If you think you have solved it, you probably have.
 

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