Show that the polynomial has no real roots

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The discussion revolves around the polynomial $x^8-x^7+x^2-x+15$ and the challenge of demonstrating that it has no real roots. Participants explore various approaches to analyze the polynomial, including examining its derivative and evaluating its minimum value.

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  • One participant suggests defining $f(x)=x^8-x^7+x^2-x$ and argues that if $15$ is greater than the minimum value of $f(x)$, then the polynomial has no real roots.
  • Another participant claims that $f(x)<0$ if $0
  • A third participant references an external link to a similar problem, indicating that the issue has been discussed previously.
  • A later reply reiterates the earlier point about $f(x)<0$ for $0

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Participants express some agreement on the behavior of $f(x)$ in the interval $(0, 1)$, but there is no consensus on the overall conclusion regarding the existence of real roots for the polynomial.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of $f(x)$ and its derivative, but these are not fully resolved, leaving uncertainty about the minimum value of $f(x)$ and its implications for the existence of real roots.

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Problem:
Show that the polynomial $x^8-x^7+x^2-x+15$ has no real root.

Attempt:
I am not sure what should be the best way to approach the problem.

I thought of defining $f(x)=x^8-x^7+x^2-x$ because $f(x)+15$ is basically a shifted version of $f(x)$ along the y-axis. So if $15$ is greater than the minimum value of $f(x)$, I can conclude that the polynomial in the question has no real roots.

$f(x)$ can be written as $x(x-1)(x^6+1)$ i.e $f(x)$ has $1$ and $0$ as its real roots. $f'(x)=8x^7-7x^6+2x-1$ and this has no nice real roots. I can't find the minimum value of $f(x)$ if I can't solve $f'(x)=0$. I am stuck here.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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So $f(x)<0\iff 0<x<1$. We have $f(x)=x(x−1)(x^6+1)\ge-|x(x−1)(x^6+1)|$ and
\[
|x(x−1)(x^6+1)|\le|x|\cdot|x-1|\cdot|x^6+1|<1\cdot1\cdot2=2
\]
for $0<x<1$. Therefore, $f(x)>-2$.
 
See http://mathhelpboards.com/challenge-questions-puzzles-28/prove-equation-has-no-real-solution-8986.html?highlight=real+roots.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
So $f(x)<0\iff 0<x<1$. We have $f(x)=x(x−1)(x^6+1)\ge-|x(x−1)(x^6+1)|$ and
\[
|x(x−1)(x^6+1)|\le|x|\cdot|x-1|\cdot|x^6+1|<1\cdot1\cdot2=2
\]
for $0<x<1$. Therefore, $f(x)>-2$.

Thanks Evgeny.Makarov! :)

Opalg said:
See http://mathhelpboards.com/challenge-questions-puzzles-28/prove-equation-has-no-real-solution-8986.html?highlight=real+roots.

I did not know that the very same problem had been already discussed here, thanks Opalg, nice to know I was along the right lines. :)
 

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