Show that this Equation Satisfies the Schrodinger Equation

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Schrödinger Equation, specifically in the context of demonstrating that a given wave function satisfies it. The original poster attempts to work through the equation but expresses uncertainty about the correct form and the necessary derivatives.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the correct form of the Schrödinger Equation and the importance of including the time derivative. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between wave functions and equations, as well as the need for proper notation and formatting.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on the correct form of the equation and the need for clarity in the original poster's approach. There is recognition of typos and misunderstandings, but no consensus has been reached on the specific steps to take next.

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Participants note that the original poster may be using an incorrect version of the Schrödinger Equation and that the function being analyzed is dependent on both position and time, which may not align with the equations referenced from the textbook.

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Homework Statement
Show directly by using the wave function in the Schrodinger equation, that this equation satisfies the Schrödinger equation
Relevant Equations
V(x)=1/2kx^2
E=(5ħ/2)√(k/m)
α=(mk/ħ)^1/4
Ψ(x,t) =ψ (x)φ (t) = √(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)]*e^((-1/2)α^2x^2)[-2+α^2 x^2]e^(-iEt/ħ)
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I apologize for the bad formatting:

To start off, I'm trying to use the Schrödinger Equation in the form: (ħ/2m) d^2Ψ(x,t)/dx^2+V(x,t)Ψ(x,t)=EΨ(x,t)

I couldn't remember if I need to also take the partial derivative with respect to T as well, but I started off with just X.

I plugged in my known values into the equation which gives me the very messy:
(ħ/2m)d^2[√(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)]*e^((-1/2)α^2x^2)[-2+α^2 x^2]e^(-iEt/ħ)]/dx^2 +(1/2kx^2)(√(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)]*e^((-1/2)α^2x^2)[-2+α^2 x^2]e^(-iEt/ħ)) = (5ħ/2)√(k/m)* √(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)]*e^((-1/2)α^2x^2)[-2+α^2 x^2]e^(-iEt/ħ)

This already seemed wrong to me, but I carried on and tried to take the second derivative with respect to X and got the following:

√(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)]*α^2 e^[-1/2(α^2 x^2)] (α^2 x^2 -1) [-2+8α^2)e^[-iEt/ħ] = d^2Ψ(x,t)/dx^2

From here I extracted common terms, giving me:

√(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)] * e^[-iEt/ħ]*e^[-1/2(α^2 x^2)] * {(ħ/2m)α^2(α^2 x^2 -1)[-2+8α^2)+1/2kx^2[-2+4α^2x^2]} = EΨ(x,t)

From this point I divided both sides by √(α)/[2√(2π^1/4)] and e^[-1/2(α^2 x^2)] giving me

e^[-iEt/ħ]* {(ħ/2m)α^2(α^2 x^2 -1)[-2+8α^2)+1/2kx^2[-2+4α^2x^2]} = E([-2+α^2 x^2]e^(-iEt/ħ)]

After this point I don't really know where to go. I don't understand how to isolate and solve for either ψ(x) or φ (t), I also don't know if I should've also taken the second derivative with respect to T as well.
I appreciate any time and Input. Thanks.
 
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Start by looking up the Schrödinger equation. The version you're using isn't correct (or you made the same typo multiple times). Also, note that the function you're working with is a function of ##x## and ##t##.

A comment on terminology... You're not trying to show that an equation satisfies the Schrödinger equation; you're trying to show that a wave function satisfies the Schrödinger equation.
 
I may have not gotten my formatting correct, this is what I'm using as my Schrödinger equation
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I found this equation in my Harmonic Oscillator section in my textbook, is this wrong?
 
Here's what you said in your original post:
Zinggy said:
(ħ/2m) d^2Ψ(x,t)/dx^2+V(x,t)Ψ(x,t)=EΨ(x,t)
You were missing the minus sign in front and you didn't square ##\hbar##. The minus sign makes a big difference.

Note that in the equation you cited in post #3, the function ##u## is a function of only ##x## whereas you're given a function ##\Psi## of ##x## and ##t##, so that's not the equation you want to use.
 
Ah yes, those were just typos, sorry I didn't do a great job of representing my equations.. Would the question use an equation like this?
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Essentially, yes, though that's an intermediate step.

You shouldn't have to be guessing here. Your book should tell you what the time-dependent and time-independent forms of the Schrödinger equation are.
 

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