Show x<=y<=z IFF |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|

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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence between the inequality \( x \leq y \leq z \) and the equation \( |x-y| + |y-z| = |x-z| \) for real numbers \( x, y, z \) under the condition that \( x \leq z \). Participants are exploring both algebraic manipulations and geometric interpretations of the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants attempt to prove the forward direction by assuming \( x \leq y \leq z \) and manipulating the absolute value expressions. Others question the validity of certain case assumptions made in the reverse direction proof, suggesting that the cases should be reconsidered based on the given condition \( x \leq z \).

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some have offered clarifications regarding the assumptions made in the proofs, while others are seeking further assistance to refine their reasoning and ensure the correctness of their arguments.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, particularly the implications of the condition \( x \leq z \) on the cases they are considering. There is also a mention of the geometric interpretation, which remains to be fully explored.

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Homework Statement


Hi! Please check my solution.

If x, y, z in R and x<=z, show that x<=y<=z IFF |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|

Interpret geometrically.


The Attempt at a Solution



1) Assume that x<=y<=z. We need to prove that |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|.

Knowing that x<=y<=z,

-(x-y)+(-(y-z))= -(x-z)
y-x-y+z=-x+z
-x+z=-x+z

2) Assume that |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|. We need to prove that x<=y<=z.

a) Assume y<=z<=x.
(x-y)-(y-z)=(x-z)
x-2y+z=x-z
z-2y=z
contradiction

b) Assume z<=x<=y
-(x-y)+(y-z)=(x-z)
-x-z=x-z
contradiction

c) Assume x<=y<=z
-(x-y)+(-(y-z))= -(x-z)
y-x-y+z=-x+z
-x+z=-x+z
Correcto!

Thanks!
 
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Kinetica said:

Homework Statement


Hi! Please check my solution.

If x, y, z in R and x<=z, show that x<=y<=z IFF |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|

Interpret geometrically.


The Attempt at a Solution



1) Assume that x<=y<=z. We need to prove that |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|.

Knowing that x<=y<=z,

-(x-y)+(-(y-z))= -(x-z)
y-x-y+z=-x+z
-x+z=-x+z

Seems good. However, I have some problems with your second part:

2) Assume that |x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|. We need to prove that x<=y<=z.

a) Assume y<=z<=x.
(x-y)-(y-z)=(x-z)
x-2y+z=x-z
z-2y=z
contradiction

you know that x<= z, so why split into the case y<= z<= x? Isn't this supposed to be y<=x<= z?

b) Assume z<=x<=y
-(x-y)+(y-z)=(x-z)
-x-z=x-z
contradiction

Same remark as above. Isn't this supposed to be x<=z<=y?

c) Assume x<=y<=z
-(x-y)+(-(y-z))= -(x-z)
y-x-y+z=-x+z
-x+z=-x+z
Correcto!

Technically, this is not wrong, but it is superfluous. You need to show: "IF blabla THEN x<=y<=z". But what you did here is actually proving the converse...
 
Hi! Thanks for the feedback. I tried fixing the last part according to your comments. What I did, I squared the both sides of

|x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|,

then, I solved it and squared |xxxx| again in order to get rid of the absolute value. The answer was short but strange. And probably, wrong.

Any help please?
 
Why in Earth did you do that? :confused:

You just need to use the technique you used this far.
So for y<=x<=z, you just need to simplify...

|x-y|+|y-z|=|x-z|

and show that this does hold.

In don't see why you start squaring things. :confused:
 

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