Showing a twice differentiable function is a vector space

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set of twice differentiable functions \( f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \) that satisfy the differential equation \( \sin(x)f''(x) + x^2f(x) = 0 \) forms a vector space. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions and axioms for this proof.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning how to begin the proof and whether proving it as a subspace is sufficient. There are discussions about verifying vector space axioms and the implications of the differential equation. Some are attempting to clarify the definitions of functions involved and how to apply the operations of addition and scalar multiplication.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the necessary steps to demonstrate that the set of functions satisfies the vector space properties. Some participants have suggested specific approaches to show that the sum of two functions and scalar multiples remain within the set defined by the differential equation. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can receive. The discussion includes attempts to clarify the application of linearity in the context of the differential equation.

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Homework Statement


Show that the set of twice differentiable functions f: R→R satisfying the differential equation

sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)=0is a vector space with respect to the usual operations of addition of functions and multiplication by scalars. Here, f" denotes the second derivative of f.

Homework Equations



sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)=0

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to start this question.
I know that to prove it is a vector space, proving that it is a subspace is enough?
I flipped through the notes for my course and followed an example done in class. I got :

0(x) = sin(x)0"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex]0(x) = 0
 
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vcb003104 said:

Homework Statement


Show that the set of twice differentiable functions f: R→R satisfying the differential equation

sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)=0is a vector space with respect to the usual operations of addition of functions and multiplication by scalars. Here, f" denotes the second derivative of f.

Homework Equations



sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)=0

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea how to start this question.
I know that to prove it is a vector space, proving that it is a subspace is enough?
If your set was contained within an encompassing vector space. Can you establish that the space that your subset belongs to is a vector space? If you can't do that, you'll need to verify that all of the vector space axioms are satisfied.
vcb003104 said:
I flipped through the notes for my course and followed an example done in class. I got :

0(x) = sin(x)0"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex]0(x) = 0
This is pretty sketchy. What are you trying to say here?
 
Hi, thanks for the quick reply.

I copied that from another example that my lecturer did in class.

I know that I need to prove the axioms but I don't know how to?

For example, to prove u+v is in V, how do I do it? what's u and what's v?

Do I say something like:
sin(u)f"(u)+[itex]u^{2}[/itex]f(u)=0
sin(v)f"(v)+[itex]v^{2}[/itex]f(v)=0

since [itex]u+v\in R[/itex]
sin(u+v)f"(u+v)+[itex](u+v)^{2}[/itex]f(u+v)=0thanks
 
Mark44 said:
If your set was contained within an encompassing vector space. Can you establish that the space that your subset belongs to is a vector space? If you can't do that, you'll need to verify that all of the vector space axioms are satisfied.

This is pretty sketchy. What are you trying to say here?
So I googled how to prove the u + v is an element of V thing.

In this context, if I do: sin(u+v)f"(u+v) + [itex](u+v)^{2}[/itex]f(u+v) = o
I want to get it to become something like

sin(u)f"(u) + [itex]u^{2}[/itex]f(u) + sin(v)f"(v)+[itex]v^{2}[/itex]f(v) = 0
so 0 + 0 = 0 right?

but how can I expand them? I mean with sin(u+v) I know I can at least get sin(u)cos(v) + sin(v)cos(u) but what about f(u+v) and f"(u+v)??

Thanks a bunch
and hope I make sense
 
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No. The point is NOT to replace "x" with u+ v. You want to prove that the set of all solutions to this (linear, homogeneous) differential equation forms a vector space. So need to show that if f(x) and g(x) both satisfy the equation then so does af(x)+ bg(x) for any numbers a and b.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No. The point is NOT to replace "x" with u+ v. You want to prove that the set of all solutions to this (linear, homogeneous) differential equation forms a vector space. So need to show that if f(x) and g(x) both satisfy the equation then so does af(x)+ bg(x) for any numbers a and b.


Hi there,
Thanks for the reply,

So to show f(x) and g(x) both satisfy the equation, do I just write

sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)=0
sin(x)g"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]g(X)=0


Thus af(x) + bg(x)
=a[sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)] + b[sin(x)g"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]g(X)]
=a(0) +b(0)
=0


Sorry I'm a bit slow at this
 
vcb003104 said:
Hi there,
Thanks for the reply,

So to show f(x) and g(x) both satisfy the equation, do I just write

sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)=0
sin(x)g"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]g(X)=0Thus af(x) + bg(x)
=a[sin(x)f"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)] + b[sin(x)g"(x)+[itex]x^{2}[/itex]g(X)]
=a(0) +b(0)
=0
Yes, that shows that applying the differential operator to both af and bg separately gives 0.
But what you want to show is that
[itex]sin(x)(af+ bg)''+ x^2(af+ bg)= 0[/itex]

Can you do that? (It is important that this is a "linear, homogeneous" differential equation and that differentiation is a "linear" operation.)

Sorry I'm a bit slow at this
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Yes, that shows that applying the differential operator to both af and bg separately gives 0.
But what you want to show is that
[itex]sin(x)(af+ bg)''+ x^2(af+ bg)= 0[/itex]

Can you do that? (It is important that this is a "linear, homogeneous" differential equation and that differentiation is a "linear" operation.)


So I can just expand it?

Can I say, showing that this is a vector space via the addition of functions:
[itex]sin(x)(af+ bg)''+ x^2(af+ bg)= 0[/itex]

LHS = sin(x)(af+ bg)''+ [itex]x^{2}[/itex](af+ bg)
= sin(x)(af)"+sin(x)(bg)" + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] (af) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] (bg)
= sin(x)af"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex]af(x) + sin(x) bg"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] bg(x)
= a[sin(x)f"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)] +b[sin(x) g"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] g(x)]
= 0 + 0
= 0
= RHS
 
vcb003104 said:
So I can just expand it?

Can I say, showing that this is a vector space via the addition of functions:
[itex]sin(x)(af+ bg)''+ x^2(af+ bg)= 0[/itex]

LHS = sin(x)(af+ bg)''+ [itex]x^{2}[/itex](af+ bg)
= sin(x)(af)"+sin(x)(bg)" + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] (af) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] (bg)
= sin(x)af"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex]af(x) + sin(x) bg"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] bg(x)
= a[sin(x)f"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex]f(x)] +b[sin(x) g"(x) + [itex]x^{2}[/itex] g(x)]
= 0 + 0
= 0
= RHS

Yes, that's it.
 
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So that is the additional of functions right?

How about multiplication? is it included in the equation as well?
 
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vcb003104 said:
So that is the additional of functions right?

How about multiplication? is it included in the equation as well?

Yes. If you take the case a=1 and b=1, it tests addition on f+g. If you take the case g=0 it tests multiplication on af. Your test does both at once.
 

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