Showing that commutator is invariant under orthchronous LTs

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The discussion centers on the Lorentz invariance of the commutator of two real free fields, specifically examining the expression for the commutator i∆=[φ(x),φ(y)] and its behavior under orthocronous Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the delta function and the step function in the context of field theory.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the expression i∆=∫d4k.δ(k2-m2)ε(k0)e-ikx and questions the relevance of the delta function in this context.
  • Another participant notes that the Feynman propagator is involved and asserts that all expressions in relativistic field theory must be Lorentz invariant.
  • A different participant suggests that the measure used in the field definition is not Lorentz invariant and discusses the implications for the transformation properties of creation and annihilation operators.
  • One participant proposes rewriting the delta function as a sum of two delta functions to simplify the integration over k0, leading to a more familiar form of the propagator for scalar fields.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on what makes the expression a Lorentz invariant measure and suggests that a change of variables in the integration over k-space, which is a Lorentz transformation, is necessary to demonstrate the invariance.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the derivation and implications of the expressions involved. There is no consensus on the clarity of the proof or the specific properties that establish Lorentz invariance.

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Participants highlight the importance of the mass shell condition and the role of the step function in defining Lorentz invariance, but there are unresolved questions about the assumptions and definitions involved in the transformation properties of the fields.

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I'm having difficulty deciphering my notes which 'proove' that the commutor of two real free fields φ(x) and φ(y) (lets call it i∆) ie. i∆=[φ(x),φ(y)] are Lorentz invariant under an orthocronous Lorentz transformation. Not sure if it helps but φ(x)=∫d3k[α(k)e-ikx+(k)eikx].

Now, apparently I have to 'observe' that:

i∆=∫d4k.δ(k2-m2)ε(k0)e-ikx

where ε(k0) = 1 if k0>0 and -1 if k0<0.

Firstly, I can't see at all, how this expression comes about: why there is a delta function δ(k2-m2) (this looks like the mass shell condition, but why is it relavent here?)

The "ε(k0) keeps positive k0 positive and negative k0 negative". I guess this makes sense because an orthocronous LT maps future directed vectors to future directed vector and past to past.

But I still can't see why that expression proves that ∆(Lx)=∆(x).

Any thought?
 
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i/delta is Feynman propagator.
since field theory is relativistic hence all the expression must be Lorenz Invariant.
 
Hi vertices,
I'm only studying this stuff myself atm, but think I might be able to make a few helpful observations (pending corrections by my superiors :wink:)

Firstly, the definition of the field you've written down doesn't explicitly use a lorentz invariant measure, as in general 3D subsets of 4D minkowski space aren't preserved under arbitrary lorentz transformations. (I'm guessing this will manifest itself in the transformation properties of your creation and annihilation operators- are they defined containing the reciprocal of the energy?) However, the 3d subspace of minkowski momentum space defined by the on-shell condition, coupled with the step function, is lorentz-invariant; it's not co-ordinate dependent, but is defined wrt the lorentz invariant inner product.

Once you've observed that the measure is lorentz invariant, you just have to observe that the exponent is defined wrt a Minkowski inner product, so it's obviously lorentz invariant.
 
vertices said:
Now, apparently I have to 'observe' that:

i∆=∫d4k.δ(k2-m2)ε(k0)e-ikx

where ε(k0) = 1 if k0>0 and -1 if k0<0.

Firstly, I can't see at all, how this expression comes about: why there is a delta function δ(k2-m2) (this looks like the mass shell condition, but why is it relavent here?)
Write the delta function as a sum of two delta functions (to get rid of (k0)2), integrate over k0, and the expression should reduce to the "familiar" propagator for scalar fields.
 
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Thanks for the replies - they've certainly been helpful.

I have found a neat proof that shows that the integration over k-space is indeed equal to the expression d4k.δ(k2-m2)ε(k0), along the lines saaskis recommended..

Can I ask a rather stupid question:

What makes that expression a Lorentz Invariant measure?
 
vertices said:
What makes that expression a Lorentz Invariant measure?
If you want to calculate [tex]\Delta (\Lambda x)[/tex] and show that it is equal to [tex]\Delta (x)[/tex], I think you'll have to make a change of variables in the integration over k-space. This change of variables is itself a Lorentz transformation, and since expressions like [tex]k^2=k_{\mu}k^{\mu}[/tex] are Lorentz-invariant, the claim follows. The orthochronocity (is this English?) is required as well, perhaps you can see where.
 

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