Showing properties of a propagator given certain Lorentz identities

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The discussion revolves around properties of a propagator in the context of Lorentz invariance, specifically examining the relationships between the functions \(\Delta(x)\), \(\Delta^{*}(x)\), and \(\Delta(-x)\). The subject area includes aspects of quantum field theory and special relativity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the invariance of \(\Delta(x)\) under Lorentz transformations, questioning how various components transform, particularly the sign function \(\epsilon(k_0)\). There is discussion about using time reversal to demonstrate properties of the propagator.

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Some participants have proposed methods to show that \(\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta(x)\) and \(\Delta(-x) = -\Delta(x)\), while others express uncertainty about the transformations involved and seek clarification on the implications of Lorentz invariance. The conversation reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the mathematical underpinnings of the concepts.

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Participants note the importance of understanding how the zeroth component of four-vectors transforms under Lorentz transformations and the implications for the sign of \(k_0\). There are references to specific Lorentz identities that are relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement
Given that [tex]\Delta (x) = \frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ik \cdot x}.[/tex]



Show that [itex]\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)[/itex] and [itex]\Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x)[/itex].



HINT: You may need to use the following Lorentz identities



(i) [itex]\ (\Lambda k) \cdot (\Lambda x) = k \cdot x[/itex]



(ii) [itex]\ p \cdot (\Lambda x) = (\Lambda^{-1}p) \cdot x[/itex]



(iii) [itex]\ \left(\Lambda^{-1}k \right)^{2} = k^{2}[/itex]
Relevant Equations
Please see below
The following exercise was proposed by samalkhaiat here.

The given Lorentz identities were proven here.

We first note that ##d^4 k = d^3 \vec k dk_0##, the ##k_0## integration is over ##-\infty < k_0 < \infty## and ##\epsilon (k_0)## is the sign function, which is defined as

$$\epsilon (k_0)=\frac{k_0}{|k_0|}=
\begin{cases}
1, & \text{if} \ \ \ \ k_0>0 \\
-1, & \text{if} \ \ \ \ k_0<0
\end{cases} $$

OK let's now start with \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)

Based on the hint, one may think the way to approach the problem is to show that ##\Delta (x)## is Lorentz invariant; we go term by term

1) $$e^{-i (\Lambda k) \cdot (\Lambda x)}=e^{-ik \cdot x}$$

2) I've been reading about why the given delta function is invariant, but I do not see what properties of the above were applied to get it.

3) I also have difficulties when trying to show that ##\epsilon (k_{0}) ## is invariant. Mandl & Shaw say that the invariance of the sign function is obvious 'since proper LTs do not interchange past and future', but I do not really understand what they meant here.

Is this the way to proceed (i.e. first trying to show invariance of ##\Delta (x)## and then try to show \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)?

Once I understand how to show \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x), showing \Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x). should be easier.

Any hint would be appreciated.

Thank you.
 
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Homework Statement:: Given that \Delta (x) = \frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ik \cdot x}.
Show that \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x) and \Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x).
HINT: You may need to use the following Lorentz identities
(i) \ (\Lambda k) \cdot (\Lambda x) = k \cdot x
(ii) \ p \cdot (\Lambda x) = (\Lambda^{-1}p) \cdot x
(iii) \ \left(\Lambda^{-1}k \right)^{2} = k^{2}
Relevant Equations:: Please see below

The following exercise was proposed by samalkhaiat here.

The given Lorentz identities were proven here.

We first note that ##d^4 k = d^3 \vec k dk_0##, the ##k_0## integration is over ##-\infty < k_0 < \infty## and ##\epsilon (k_0)## is the sign function, which is defined as

$$\epsilon (k_0)=\frac{k_0}{|k_0|}=
\begin{cases}
1, & \text{if} \ \ \ \ k_0>0 \\
-1, & \text{if} \ \ \ \ k_0<0
\end{cases} $$

OK let's now start with \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)

Based on the hint, one may think the way to approach the problem is to show that ##\Delta (x)## is Lorentz invariant; we go term by term

1) $$e^{-i (\Lambda k) \cdot (\Lambda x)}=e^{-ik \cdot x}$$

2) I've been reading about why the given delta function is invariant, but I do not see what properties of the above were applied to get it.
How does ##k^2## transform? How does ##m^2## transform?

3) I also have difficulties when trying to show that ##\epsilon (k_{0}) ## is invariant. Mandl & Shaw say that the invariance of the sign function is obvious 'since proper LTs do not interchange past and future', but I do not really understand what they meant here.
Since ##k_0/|k_0|## is just the sign of ##k_0##, you have to address the question: under a proper Lorentz transformation, how does the zeroth component of a four-vector transform?
 
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Thank you, I think I got it.

nrqed said:
How does ##k^2## transform? How does ##m^2## transform?

They transform as scalars, so based on (iii) we see why the given delta function is invariant

$$\delta((\Lambda^{-1} k)^2 - (\Lambda^{-1} m)^2)=\delta(k^2 - m^2)$$

nrqed said:
Since ##k_0/|k_0|## is just the sign of ##k_0##, you have to address the question: under a proper Lorentz transformation, how does the zeroth component of a four-vector transform?

The zeroth component of a four vector is a scalar, so under continuous LT we expect to get

$$\epsilon (\Lambda^{-1} k_0)=\epsilon (k_0)$$

Besides, we know that the following integral is Lorentz Invariant (see Tong's notes, page 32)

$$\int d^4 k \delta (k^2 - m^2)$$
 
Above we've discussed why ##\Delta(x)## is Lorentz invariant. However, I did not discussed how to show
##\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)## and ##\Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x)##.

What I've been thinking is that we could use non-continuous proper Lorentz Transformations; i.e. time reversal ##(t, \vec x) \rightarrow (-t, \vec x)## to show those properties.

Let's first try to show that ##\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)##

We have

$$\Delta^{*} (x) = \frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$

So the idea was applying time reversal to ##\Delta^{*} (x)##; we get

$$f(k) = \frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ik \cdot x}.$$

Note that here ##k=(-k_0, \vec k)## due to time reversal. Thus we get ##k \cdot x = -k_0 x_0 -\vec k \cdot \vec x##, which justifies the sign of the exponent. Besides ##\epsilon (k_0) \rightarrow -\epsilon (k_0)##, which justifies the sign of the integral.

As ##\Delta^{*} (x)## is Lorentz invariant, the expression we get (which I labelled ##f(k)##) after applying time reversal to ##\Delta^{*} (x)## must be equal to ##\Delta^{*} (x)##. We also note that ##f(k)=\Delta (x)##. Thus

$$\Delta (x)=\Delta^{*} (x)$$

QED.

Do you agree? :smile:
 
Regarding ##\Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x)## I used the same idea; we start with

$$\Delta (-x) = \frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$

Applying time reversal (i.e. ##\epsilon (k_0) \rightarrow -\epsilon (k_0)## and ##k=(-k_0, \vec k)##) we get

$$g(k) = \frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ik \cdot x}.$$

Clearly ##g(k) = -\Delta(x)##, so

$$\Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x)$$

QED.
 
JD_PM said:
Thank you, I think I got it.
They transform as scalars, so based on (iii) we see why the given delta function is invariant

$$\delta((\Lambda^{-1} k)^2 - (\Lambda^{-1} m)^2)=\delta(k^2 - m^2)$$
The zeroth component of a four vector is a scalar, so under continuous LT we expect to get

$$\epsilon (\Lambda^{-1} k_0)=\epsilon (k_0)$$

Besides, we know that the following integral is Lorentz Invariant (see Tong's notes, page 32)

$$\int d^4 k \delta (k^2 - m^2)$$
Watch out, the zeroth component of a four vector is *not* a scalar. A scalar does not change under LT. ##k_0## changes value under a LT. What you must show that is the the *sign* of ##k_0## does not change under proper, ortho synchronous Lorentz transformations.
 
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nrqed said:
What you must show that is the the *sign* of ##k_0## does not change under proper, ortho synchronous Lorentz transformations.

Oh I see.

What I understand so far from the discussion in the relativity thread is that the sign of ##k_0## does not change under proper, ortho synchronous Lorentz transformations because when dealing with time-like vectors with ##k_0 >0## these remain ##k_0 >0## after the transformation (which means that they stay in the upper part of the cone) and when dealing with time-like vectors with ##k_0 <0## these remain ##k_0 <0## (which means that they stay in the lower part of the cone).

The above is a conceptual explanation; Is there a way to prove this mathematically?
 
I tried to show that ##\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)## and ##\Delta(-x) = - \Delta (x)## at #3 and #4 and failed.

Could you please give me a hint on what approach should I take to show them?

Thanks :smile:
 
JD_PM said:
Let's first try to show that ##\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)##

We have

$$\Delta^{*} (x) = \frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$
Ok

So the idea was applying time reversal to ##\Delta^{*} (x)##; we get

$$f(k) = \frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ik \cdot x}.$$

Note that here ##k=(-k_0, \vec k)## due to time reversal. Thus we get ##k \cdot x = -k_0 x_0 -\vec k \cdot \vec x##, which justifies the sign of the exponent.
Wouldn't time reversal also change the sign of ##x_0## as well as change the sign of ##\vec k##? (##\vec k## is like a momentum. )So under time reversal wouldn't ##k \cdot x = k_0 x_0 - \vec k \cdot \vec x## become ## +k_0 x_0 + \vec k \cdot \vec x## ?

Instead of trying to introduce a symmetry transformation such as time reversal or a Lorentz transformation, go back to $$\Delta^{*} (x) = \frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$

Change the integration variables in ##\Delta^* (x)## from ##k_\mu## to ##k'_\mu## where ##k'_\mu = - k_\mu##. This should lead to ##\Delta^* (x) =\Delta (x)## (unless I'm missing something).
 
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JD_PM said:
The above is a conceptual explanation; Is there a way to prove this mathematically?
You don’t need that if you know the meaning of the proper Lorentz transformations, but yes you can prove it as follows: Lorentz transformation consists of rotations and boosts. Rotations leaves the time-component of vectors invariant. So you only need to consider boosts. Now, for a boost along the z-axis, you will have (k^{0})^{\prime} = \gamma (k^{0} - \beta k^{3}). But, you know that \gamma &gt; 0 and \beta &lt; 1. So, for k^{0} &gt; 0, you will have k^{0} &gt; k^{3} &gt; \beta k^{3} \ \Rightarrow \ (k^{0})^{\prime} &gt; 0. Similarly, k^{0} &lt; 0 \ \Rightarrow \ (k^{0})^{\prime} &lt; 0.

To prove that \Delta (x) is Lorentz invariant, calculate \Delta (\Lambda x) and use k \cdot \Lambda x = \Lambda^{-1}k \cdot x. Now define a new integration variable by p = \Lambda^{-1}k, \ \Rightarrow \ p^{2} = (\Lambda^{-1}k)^{2} = k^{2}. Since the proper Lorentz transformation leaves both the sign function and the 4-volume invariant, you can write \epsilon (k_{0}) = \epsilon (p_{0}), \ d^{4}k = d^{4}p. So, you end up with \Delta (\Lambda x) = \frac{-i}{(2 \pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}p \ \epsilon (p_{0}) \delta (p^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{- i p \cdot x} = \Delta (x).

To prove \Delta (-x) = - \Delta (x), as well as \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x) change integration variable as k = - p, then use k^{2} = p^{2}, \ \epsilon (k_{0}) = - \epsilon (p_{0}) and d^{4}k = d^{4}p.
 
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Thank you both for your replies :biggrin:

TSny said:
Wouldn't time reversal also change the sign of ##x_0## as well as change the sign of ##\vec k##? (##\vec k## is like a momentum. )So under time reversal wouldn't ##k \cdot x = k_0 x_0 - \vec k \cdot \vec x## become ## +k_0 x_0 + \vec k \cdot \vec x## ?

You are right, my bad.

samalkhaiat said:
You don’t need that if you know the meaning of the proper Lorentz transformations, but yes you can prove it as follows: Lorentz transformation consists of rotations and boosts. Rotations leaves the time-component of vectors invariant. So you only need to consider boosts. Now, for a boost along the z-axis, you will have (k^{0})^{\prime} = \gamma (k^{0} - \beta k^{3}). But, you know that \gamma &gt; 0 and \beta &lt; 1. So, for k^{0} &gt; 0, you will have k^{0} &gt; k^{3} &gt; \beta k^{3} \ \Rightarrow \ (k^{0})^{\prime} &gt; 0. Similarly, k^{0} &lt; 0 \ \Rightarrow \ (k^{0})^{\prime} &lt; 0.

To prove that \Delta (x) is Lorentz invariant, calculate \Delta (\Lambda x) and use k \cdot \Lambda x = \Lambda^{-1}k \cdot x. Now define a new integration variable by p = \Lambda^{-1}k, \ \Rightarrow \ p^{2} = (\Lambda^{-1}k)^{2} = k^{2}. Since the proper Lorentz transformation leaves both the sign function and the 4-volume invariant, you can write \epsilon (k_{0}) = \epsilon (p_{0}), \ d^{4}k = d^{4}p. So, you end up with \Delta (\Lambda x) = \frac{-i}{(2 \pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}p \ \epsilon (p_{0}) \delta (p^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{- i p \cdot x} = \Delta (x).

Oh I see it now.

TSny said:
Instead of trying to introduce a symmetry transformation such as time reversal or a Lorentz transformation, go back to $$\Delta^{*} (x) = \frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$

Change the integration variables in ##\Delta^* (x)## from ##k_\mu## to ##k'_\mu## where ##k'_\mu = - k_\mu##. This should lead to ##\Delta^* (x) =\Delta (x)## (unless I'm missing something).

samalkhaiat said:
To prove \Delta (-x) = - \Delta (x), as well as \Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x) change integration variable as k = - p, then use k^{2} = p^{2}, \ \epsilon (k_{0}) = - \epsilon (p_{0}) and d^{4}k = d^{4}p.

Ahhh so the trick was to introduce the change of variables ##k := - p## (I feel I bit silly now to be honest 😅)

- Let's show ##\Delta^{*}(x) = \Delta (x)##

We start with

$$\Delta^{*} (x) = \frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$

Applying ##k = - p##, k^{2} = p^{2}, \ \epsilon (k_{0}) = - \epsilon (p_{0}) and d^{4}k = d^{4}p to ##\Delta^{*} (x)## we get

$$\frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}p \ \epsilon (p_{0}) \delta (p^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ip \cdot x}=\Delta (x)$$

QED.

- Let's show \Delta (-x) = - \Delta (x)

We start with

$$\Delta (-x) = \frac{-i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}k \ \epsilon (k_{0}) \delta (k^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{ik \cdot x}.$$

Applying ##k = - p##, k^{2} = p^{2}, \ \epsilon (k_{0}) = - \epsilon (p_{0}) and d^{4}k = d^{4}p to ##\Delta (-x)## we get

$$\frac{i}{(2\pi)^{3}} \int d^{4}p \ \epsilon (p_{0}) \delta (p^{2} - m^{2}) \ e^{-ip \cdot x} = - \Delta (x)$$

QED.
 
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