Shrødinger equation & electrons jumping between atoms

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Schrödinger equation to understand the probability distribution of electrons as they transition between atoms, particularly in the context of electrical conduction in materials like wires.

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  • One participant questions whether the Schrödinger equation can show the probability distribution of an electron jumping between atoms, particularly in a circuit.
  • Another participant suggests that while the answer is "in principle yes," practical applications may require a deeper understanding of solid-state physics, including concepts like valence and conduction bands.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the movement of electrons within a wire and proposes that simulations could illustrate how the probability distribution changes along a grid of atoms, given the influence of surrounding particles.
  • One participant mentions that the analysis could be performed using a tight binding model, noting that the Hamiltonian used may differ from the conventional position space Hamiltonian.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the applicability of the Schrödinger equation and the models that may be used to analyze electron behavior in materials.

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There are limitations related to the definitions of the Schrödinger equation and the assumptions underlying different models, such as the tight binding model versus traditional Hamiltonians.

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(I have very little training in Quantum mechanics)

Can the Shrødinger equation show the probability distribution of the electron when it jumps from one atom to another, like in a circuit f ex.

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Hi,

Does a yes or no answer to this really help you ? Mine would be: in principle yes but in practice not. Better to study solid state physics and learn about valence bands and conduction bands is my guess.

What do you have in mind ?
 
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I guess I'm curious to how an electron actually moves inside a wire, and I know we can't know exactly where it is, but I guessed you could make a simulation on how the probability distribution for one electron changes along the wire/along a grid of atoms... And if the scrødinger equation can tell you the distribution given any surrounding state of the electron (other electrons, and protons), I figured it is actually possible to get a clearer view of how the electron moves...
 
Depends on your definition of the Schroedinger equation. You can certainly analyze this with a tight binding model but the Hamiltonian won’t really resemble your ordinary position space Hamiltonian.
 

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