Simple Logic Question of Converting or to and

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The discussion revolves around converting logical expressions involving "or" (∨) into expressions using only "and" (∧) and negation (¬). Participants are exploring the methods and rules for such conversions, particularly in the context of a homework problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in rewriting a specific logical formula using only negation and conjunction, expressing uncertainty about how to convert "or" to "and".
  • Another participant suggests using a Karnaugh map to visually identify simplifications and mentions the equivalence of NAND and NOR gates to OR and AND gates, respectively, when negated.
  • Several participants reiterate the need for a clear expression of "or" in terms of "and" and negation, emphasizing the requirement to rewrite the formula without using disjunction or implication symbols.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to convert "or" to "and" using negation, but there is no consensus on the specific method or equivalence to use for this conversion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact transformations required.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in recalling the specific logical equivalences needed for the conversion, indicating a dependence on definitions and rules that may not be universally agreed upon.

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Simple Logic Question of Converting "or" to "and"

Homework Statement



As the title would have you believe it's really just a basic question.
I have to write (¬q <---> r) /\ (¬p \/ ¬r) ---> (p \/ ¬q) just using "¬'s" and "/\'s" i know how to change everything else, but i cannot, for the life of me remember the equivalent of (a \/ b) in terms of nots and and gates.

Homework Equations



n/a

The Attempt at a Solution



Someone please help,
 
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I find it's useful to use a Karnaugh map in these cases, since it let's you spot the simplifications and the complements visually.

That being said, I also find it useful to remember that in digital circuits a NAND gate is equivalent to an OR gate with both inputs negated, and that a NOR gate is equivalent to an AND gate with both inputs negated. That is to say, simply move the 'NOT' circles from the front or back of the gate and change from AND or OR or vice-versa.

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But it simple terms of symbols like "∧ and" "¬ not." What would be an equivalent for "or?" The Question i was given is.

Rewrite the following formula using only ¬ and ∧ (that is, write an equivalent formula which does not have ∨,→,↔). Start by saying how you express (p∨q),(p→q)and(p↔q).

(¬q↔r)∧(¬p∨¬r)→(p∨¬q)

With that being the formula i need to convert. I just don't recall how exactly to change ∨ to something with ∧'s and ¬'s
 


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But it simple terms of symbols like "∧ and" "¬ not." What would be an equivalent for "or?" The Question i was given is.

Rewrite the following formula using only ¬ and ∧ (that is, write an equivalent formula which does not have ∨,→,↔). Start by saying how you express (p∨q),(p→q)and(p↔q).

(¬q↔r)∧(¬p∨¬r)→(p∨¬q)

With that being the formula i need to convert. I just don't recall how exactly to change ∨ to something with ∧'s and ¬'s

I suggested two tools that would allow you to "remember" how to convert ∨ expressions to ∧ expressions. Here they are converting A ∨ B to an equivalent using ∧:
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