Simple loop and magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a regular polygon-shaped loop carrying a steady current. The original poster seeks to determine the magnetic field at the center of the loop, at one of its vertices, and at a great distance from the loop, referencing the Biot-Savart law for calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the magnetic field at the center and questions the field at the vertex, suggesting it may be zero. They also explore the behavior of the field at a great distance, drawing parallels to electrostatics.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a back-and-forth regarding the correctness of the original poster's assumptions, particularly about the magnetic field at the vertex and at a distance. Some guidance has been provided, with suggestions to consider contributions from all wire segments at the vertex and clarifications about the field behavior at large distances.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding the contributions of different segments of the loop to the magnetic field at specific points, particularly at the vertex and at a distance. The original poster references the Biot-Savart law and its implications for the magnetic field, indicating a need for clarity on these concepts.

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Homework Statement



I have a regular 6 sided polygon shaped loop through which flows steady current. I have to find the field at the center, at one of the vertex of the polygon and at the great distance from the loop.


Homework Equations



Biot-Savart law:

\vec{B}=\frac{1}{c}I\int\frac{d\vec{\ell}'\times\hat{r}}{r^2}

in CGS units.

The Attempt at a Solution



So I found the field at the center, there is a similar problem in Griffiths. And I got:

B=\frac{6 I}{c a} where a is the length of a side of a polygon. Because the field for a wire is:

B=\frac{I}{cs}(\sin\theta_2-\sin\theta_1), s=a and \theta_2=-\theta_1=\frac{\pi}{6}. And I multiply by 6 because I have 6 sides.

Now I am not sure if this next part is correct and I need some help with it:

At the vertex the field will be 0? Am I correct? Because the element of the wire is in the same direction as the vector from the source (the wire) to the point in which I'm looking at the field (the vertex).

The last part is the confusing one. Now I read that B-S law is sth like Coulomb law, but for currents and magnetostatics, that is it's inverse square law. That means that it falls as I'm getting away from the source.

When I had, in electrostatics, case with uniformly charged sphere when at great distance I'd get the field that is the same as the field for the single point charge.

But what do I get for this? Since it's closed loop, I certainly can't get the answer for infinite wire. Do I get the field of a magnetic field of a circular loop?
 
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For the first part, I didn't look over it exactly but the method sounds alright. At a vertex, 0 doesn't sound quite right. If you sum up all of the contributions from the different wires you get something into the page. At a great distance, well you have an inverse square relation. What is $\lim_{x\rightarrow \infty} \frac{C}{x^2}$ for any constant C?
 
Well it's zero, which I though at first, but wasn't really sure.

And for the vertex one I looked only at one vertex and from only one point, so that might be wrong...
 
Yes, the field is 0 very far away.

If you look at the vertex, try considering the effect of each wire segment to the magnetic field to that point. The two segments attached to the vertex won't contribute (if I'm not mistaken), but all of the other segments will.
 
Thanks about this far away part :) I'll try to work that other thing out ^^
 

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