Ok this is probably going to sound like the gibberish of a crazy fool but its been awhile since I have done any deep thinking so I am a little rusty. I recently began wondering if one of the reasons why quantum physics and the standard model of particles have so many weird constants and unanswered questions simply because of the way we are using our mathematical system which include non-existant numbers to try and explain it. The problem came up when I tried to explain any number multiplied by 0. Its easy to explain in simple terms why 2 x 5 = 10 because you can say that if I have 5 groups of 2 apples and add them together the total sum I get equals 10. And its easy to show. 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 10 Likewise math allows me to re-arrange that and say that if I have 2 groups of 5 apples and add them together I get 10 or 5 x 2 = 10. 5 + 5 = 10 The problem arises when 0 comes into play, 0 x 5 = 0, according to math. Its easy to say that if I have 0 apples and add them together 5 times I have 0 apples. 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0 But that should be re-arrangable, and I should be able to explain 5 x 0 in the same manner. In reality, however that is not possible or makes no logical sense. In other words I cannot say that if I have a group of 5 apples and add them together 0 times, whatever that means based on your definition of 0, I get 0. That to me makes no sense. In real life, I suppose it could be explained as I never peformed my operation. Because I certainly have 5 apples so I suppose 5 x 0 = 0 must mean I never performed my operation, right? Else 5 x 0 can only be explained one way. And that is the first way, with the value of 0 being the one added to itself a total number of 5 times. But what if I did in fact perform the operation like that and try to explain it and still make sense in reality? Well using the same explanations as above it would mean that I could take a group of 5 apples and add them by 5 a certain number of times and somehow I end up with no apples at all. That number according to the equation is 0. But it has no real value, in a way it does not exist. Or does it? What if we go further and apply it to quantum physics. Could that number of times be "infinity"? Would it explain why a black hole even exists? Because with quantum physics and correct me if I am wrong I can logically say that the more times I add a particular mass together, the closer I get to the reality that it would be so massiveand dense it would create a black hole and thus in my reality it would indeed destroy itself and the apples would be gone....which would make my math correct and equal 0. So is 0 and infinity one and the same? Well they seem to have the same properties in that certainly neither is actually attainable, possible or exists in the "tangible" world. Or is 0 a gate? To a parellel universe? Is 0 the black hole itself? Do we need to cast out 0 all together out of math and devise a new system altogether? In quantum physics, E = mc2, and the conservation of mass/energry states I cannot destroy matter completely without taking account energy, something rudimentary math does not account for. Unless, I take into account the possibility of a black hole. And if you take that into account well what I did when I performed 5 x 0 is I have created a black hole, massive energy, and destroyed the apples in my universe. And it should mean that I no longer have any apples but instead I have released energy in the amount of the apples mass traveling at the speed of light squared by Einstein's equation. So perhaps 0 in the case of 5 x 0 does have a value. Perhaps 0 and infinity have the same value, in that it is actually the number of 5 unit masses I would need to put together in order for that mass to destroy itself. Thus for different size masses 0 and infinity would actually have a real numeric value, and it may even be a constant. I don't know how to perform the calcuation but I would be interested in finding out if somehow all of this related back to the speed of light. In other words if the number of times I would need to add or condense this particular mass together for it to destroy itself, is equal to the speed of light or a factor times the speed of light. Then perhaps light, existance, 0, infinity and "life" are one and the same. If anyone has actually followed my argument all the way, then I guess my question would be does anyone have a better explanation of why 5 x 0 = 0 and 0 x 5 = 0 using the same rules that you use to describe why 5 x 2 = 10 and 2 x 5 = 10? Note that I am not asking for a derivative mathematical solution, but actual english terms. Unless your derivative solution can in of itself be explained using english terms that make logical sense in reality.