Simple Moment of Inertia Question

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The discussion centers on understanding the moment of inertia (MOI) for different shapes, particularly why the MOI for a solid cylinder or disk is expressed as ΔI = (1/2)(r)^2 Δm instead of the simpler ΔI = (r)^2 Δm. This distinction arises from the integration process used to calculate MOI, where the solid shape is composed of many thin disks, each contributing to the total inertia. The factor of 1/2 is derived from the MOI of a disk about its center of mass, which is I_disk = (1/2)MR^2, as opposed to the MOI of a point mass, which is MR^2. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the integration method and the geometric composition of the solid shape in determining the correct MOI. Overall, the integration of the contributions from these thin disks leads to the inclusion of the constant factor in the MOI equation.
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I understand every other step except for the equation for moment of inertia. In my book the most basic equation for moment is ΔI = (r)^2 Δm but for this problem ΔI = (1/2)(r)^2 Δm. Why is that? Does it have something to do with the method of integration?
 
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When you are integrating to calculate the moment of inertia (MOI), you take the MOI of a tiny mass and sum all of those to get the total. MOI of a point mass is mr^2. In this case the tiny mass is a disk. MOI of a solid cylinder, disk etc is 1/2 mr^2.
 
ahmadmz said:
When you are integrating to calculate the moment of inertia (MOI), you take the MOI of a tiny mass and sum all of those to get the total. MOI of a point mass is mr^2. In this case the tiny mass is a disk. MOI of a solid cylinder, disk etc is 1/2 mr^2.
How would you go about deriving the constant that's out front, in this case 1/2?
 
Using integration :)
There is an example or two in almost every physics text that i have seen. Check out some other books if your book doesn't have it.
 
The constant comes from the fact that a solid cone is made up of many thin disks (horizontal cross-sections of the cone wrt axis of rotation). So the rotational inertia of the solid cone is equal to the total rotational inertia of all these thin disks. The rotational inertia of a disk of radius R about its center of mass is
I_{disk} = 1/2 MR^{2}

Which is derived from the rotational inertia of a ring of radius R about its center of mass
I_{ring} = MR^{2}

Which is derived from the rotational inertia of a point mass at a radius R from the axis of rotation.
I = MR^{2}

So a small part of the rotational inertia of the cone (dI_{cone}) is equal to the rotational inertia of a thin disk of radius y, 1/2 dmy^{2}.
 
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