Simple partial derivative question

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The discussion revolves around interpreting the partial derivative as a rate of change, specifically in the context of the area of a parallelogram defined by the formula A = absinθ, where a and b are the adjacent sides and θ is the angle between them. Participants explore how changes in the variable a affect the area A while holding other variables constant.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the calculated partial derivative ∂A/∂a = 20sin(∏/6) = 10 implies that increasing a by 2 results in an increase of A by 20.
  • Another participant suggests checking the area calculation with different values for a, b, and θ to verify the interpretation.
  • A third participant explains that since the function A = ab sin(θ) is linear in both variables, the partial derivative can be viewed as a "slope," indicating that doubling a or b would double the area A, but notes that this linearity does not hold for non-linear functions.
  • This participant provides an example of a rectangular solid to illustrate how the behavior of partial derivatives can differ in non-linear cases, emphasizing that the relationship between changes in variables and the resulting change in volume can be more complex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the implications of the partial derivative, with some agreeing on the linearity of the function while others highlight the complexities that arise in non-linear scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific interpretation of the rate of change in the context of the parallelogram's area.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the linearity of the function in different contexts, nor does it clarify the implications of the partial derivative in non-linear cases.

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Hello, just a quick question about interpreting the partial derivative as a rate of change.

My example is the area of a parallelogram: A = absinθ, with a and b being the adjecent sides with θ being the angle between them.

We found the rate of change of the area A with respect to the side a by holding b and θ constant:

(for a = 10, b = 20, θ = ∏/6)

∂A/∂a = bsinθ

∂A/∂a = 20sin(∏/6) = 10.

Does this mean for every unit increment of a, A increases 10 times that, ie. increasing a by 2 increases A by 20?

Thanks for reading.

Lee
 
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You can check this with the example in the OP. If a = 11, b = 20 and theta = pi/6, what is the area of your P-gram?
 
Here, your original function, [itex]A= ab sin(\theta)[/itex], is linear in both variables so, yes, you can think of the partial derivative as a "slope"- if a or b doubles, A also doubles.

If it were not linear, that would not be true. Take the example of a rectanguar solid with square cross sections- two perpendicular edges of length x and the third of length y. The volume is [itex]V= x^2y[/itex] so the two partial derivatives are [itex]V_x= 2xy[/itex] and [itex]V_y= 2x^2[/itex]. If x= 2, y= 2 then V=(4)(2)= 8. If x= 2, y= 4 (so x remains the same while y doubles), V= (4)(4)= 16. Yes, the volume has doubled. But if x= 4, y= 2 (so y remains the same while x doubles), V= (16)(2)= 32. The volume has been multiplied by [itex]2^2= 4[/itex].
 
Thanks for the replies... can't believe I didn't think to just plug in some numbers and see it for myself.

Lee
 

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