Simple photodiode connected to lock-in amplifier

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calibration of a semiconductor experiment involving a laser beam modulated by an acousto-optical modulator and the measurement of phase shifts using a lock-in amplifier. Participants explore the feasibility of using a photodiode to measure the phase shift introduced by the modulator.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Baptiste proposes using a fast photodiode to measure the phase shift of the modulated laser beam and inject the photocurrent into the lock-in amplifier.
  • Some participants suggest that the approach is valid and relates to control engineering, emphasizing the need for negative feedback.
  • Concerns are raised about the input impedance of the lock-in amplifier and its potential impact on the measurements.
  • Alpharup recommends considering the transfer function of the open system without feedback and suggests looking into phase-locked loops for further understanding.
  • Baptiste seeks clarification on what constitutes the open system to measure, indicating uncertainty about the advice received.
  • Baptiste identifies the electrical signal to the acousto-optical modulator as the input and the output from the lock-in amplifier as the system's output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the approach to calibrating the system and the definition of the open system. There is no consensus on the best method or the implications of the input impedance of the lock-in amplifier.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the input impedance on the measurements, and there are uncertainties regarding the feedback mechanism and the specifics of the open system to be measured.

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Hello.

I am currently modifying a semiconductor experiment. A laser beam is modulated with an acousto-optical modulator and illuminate the semiconductor sample. The sample is probed by microwaves. The reflected microwave signal go through a demodulator, and then in a lock-in amplifier. Then I am studying the phase shift between the A.O. modulator control signal and the reflected microwave amplitude.

My problem is presently to calibrate the system by measuring the phase shift introduced by the acousto-optical moculator.

My idea is to deviate a part of the modulated laser beam, to send it to a fast photodiode, and to inject the diode photocurrent into the current imput of the lock-in amplifier.

Do you think that this idea is good?
I am fearing some problems with the imput impedance of the lock-in amplifier or something like that...

Sincerely

Baptiste
 
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As from a third person perspective, you approach is good. This falls into control engineering problem, if am right. For this, a negative feedback is needed.
Input impedance of lock in-amplifier may be considered. But, since you are experimenting, find the transfer function of open system(without acousto-optical modulator feedback signal). Figure in both input and required output of the system...Usually for control engineering problems, the neceassy condition is difference between output and input,..ie...error is zero.
I would like you to look at something like phase locked loop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop:
 
Dear Alpharup

Thank a lot for your answer.
I had a look to the wikipedia article.
However, I still don't understand fully your advices.
Presently, I have no feedback from the acousto optical modulator, but I would like to build one (with a photodiode), which should mesure the phase shift introduced by the modulator (compared to the signal going out of the frequency générator, which control the modulator)
What is according to you the open system that I should measure?

I am in contact with a fast photodiode supplier, maybe they will give me tips about the way to use it.

Sincerely
 
baptiste said:
Dear Alpharup

What is according to you the open system that I should measure?Sincerely
A laser beam is modulated with an acousto-optical modulator and illuminate the semiconductor sample. The sample is probed by microwaves. The reflected microwave signal go through a demodulator, and then in a lock-in amplifier.
The input here is the electrical signal fed as input to the acoust-optical modulator. I do presume that electrical signals(going to acuoto-optical modulator) control the manner in which incoming laser is modulated.
The output here is the electrical output from the lock in amplifier.
You have both input and output for the system. This, I would assume as open system.
 

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