Simple proof regarding integers

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The problem involves proving that if m and n are integers such that 4 divides the sum of their squares (4|m²+n²), then 4 also divides the product of the integers (4|mn). The context is within a proofs class where participants are exploring logical reasoning and mathematical proof techniques.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equation m²+n²=4k to isolate the term mn, expressing uncertainty about how to proceed without dividing. Some participants suggest considering integer properties and relevant results from class discussions, while others recommend testing concrete examples to build understanding.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of the equation and the importance of integer properties, but no consensus or definitive direction has been reached yet.

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Participants note that they have not covered proofs extensively in class, which may impact their confidence in approaching the problem. There is also mention of the instructor's expectations regarding the nature of the solution.

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Homework Statement



Show that if m and n are integers such that 4|m2+n2, then 4|mn

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Since 4 divides m2+n2, then we can say that m2+n2 = 4k, where k is an integer. I haven't done any mathematical proofs of any kind yet, but we were supposed to see if we could do this. I am kind of stuck as to where to go from here. The only thing I could think of is to try to introduce a m*n term into the equation m2+n2 = 4k. To do this, I multiplied and divided the left-hand side of the equation by mn to get: mn(m2+n2/mn) = 4k. Since I am looking to show that 4|mn, or mn = 4*(some integer), I tried to isolate the mn term. That means 4k/(m2+n2/mn) = mn, or 4kmn/(m2+n2) = mn. However, I don't think this proves anything. Any advice on how to proceed (or even where to start)?

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First, when working with integers, in general, dividing is not a good idea. Since you know nothing about ##m^2+n^2##, ##m^2+n^2/mn## isn't necessarily an integer.

First, think about how you need you're proof to end. You want to show that mn can be written as an integer multiple of 4.
After that, where you go next really depends on what you are allowed to assume about integers. Are there any results that may be relevant that you've proven in class?
 
There is nothing specifically we talked about in class (We haven't really done any proofs at all - we have just talked about Sentential Logic, truth tables, and basic set theory stuff). Although we haven't really covered proofs in class yet, it is considered a "proofs class" so he wanted us to be able to work this out. I know in the end, I want to find that mn = 4l, where l is another integer. However, I can't see how I can isolate a (m*n) term in m2+n2 = 4k (especially without dividing). To step through the proof in a logical way, I would assume you have to start with (m2+n2) = 4k and do things to the equation until you get something of the form m*n = 4l. I just have no idea how I would go about doing it at all.
 
Try some concrete examples and see if you can't convince yourself why its true.
 
It sounds like your prof doesn't really expect an elegant solution, and he really just wants to what you can discover on your own. I wouldn't want to deprive you of that.
 
MostlyHarmless said:
First, when working with integers, in general, dividing is not a good idea. Since you know nothing about ##m^2+n^2##, ##m^2+n^2/mn## isn't necessarily an integer.
If you meant ##\frac{m^2 + n^2}{mn}##, you need parentheses in what you wrote. Without them, what you wrote is ##m^2 + \frac{n^2}{mn}##. Also m2/mn is ambiguous, as it could be interpreted as m2/(mn) or as (m2/m) * n.
MostlyHarmless said:
First, think about how you need you're proof to end. You want to show that mn can be written as an integer multiple of 4.
After that, where you go next really depends on what you are allowed to assume about integers. Are there any results that may be relevant that you've proven in class?
 

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