Simple pulley system + kinetic friction, find tension

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The problem involves a simple pulley system with a 9.00 kg hanging weight and a 5.00 kg block on a flat table, incorporating kinetic friction with a coefficient of 0.560. The objective is to find the tension in the string connecting the two masses.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's laws and free body diagrams to identify forces acting on each mass. Some express confusion about the derivation of the equation used to relate tension, gravitational force, and friction.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the forces involved and attempts to clarify the relationships between them. Some participants suggest isolating each mass to better understand the forces at play, while others question the initial setup and equations presented.

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There is mention of the need to use free body diagrams for clarity, and participants highlight the importance of identifying forces before applying Newton's laws. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct approach to solving for tension in this context.

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A 9.00 kg hanging weight is connected by a string over a light pulley to a 5.00 kg block that is sliding on a flat table (Fig. P5.8). If the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.560, find the tension in the string.

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fk = µkN, F = ma, N2 = m2g, 5.00 kg mass = m2, 9.00 kg mass = m1

N = (5)(9.8) = 49

sigma f = ma
T + m2g - fk = (m1 + m2)a
T + (9)(9.8) - (µk)(N) = (14)a
T + (9)(9.8) - (.560)(49) = (14)a

I'm lost at this point. Thanks in advance.
 
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closer said:
A 9.00 kg hanging weight is connected by a string over a light pulley to a 5.00 kg block that is sliding on a flat table (Fig. P5.8). If the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.560, find the tension in the string.

p5-09.gif


fk = µkN, F = ma, N2 = m2g, 5.00 kg mass = m2, 9.00 kg mass = m1

N = (5)(9.8) = 49

sigma f = ma
OK to here
T + m2g - fk = (m1 + m2)a
Where did this equation come from? Always use free body diagrams for each block to identify the forces and net forces acting on each block, before applying Newton's laws to each.
 
T = ma
T = (mass of the system)(acceleration of the system)
m2g matches the direction of the movement, therefore it is positive
fk opposes the movement, therefore it is negative.
T + m2g - fk = (m1 + m2)a
 
closer said:
T = ma
should be F_net =ma
T = (mass of the system)(acceleration of the system)
m2g matches the direction of the movement, therefore it is positive
fk opposes the movement, therefore it is negative.
T there is no T in this equation when you use this approach, but don't use it regardless[/color] + m2g - fk = (m1 + m2)a
It is best in problems of this type to isolate each mass separately, identify the forces acting on each, and use Newton 2 for each. This helps to understand what is going on. Ultimately, you are going to have to do this anyway at least on one mass to solve for T.
For mass m1, the hanging mass, you have the weight down, and the tension up, so it's m1g-T = m1a, and for the other mass, it's T- fk = m2a. Solve for T using these 2 equations with the 2 unknowns.
 

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