Simple Spring Constant Lab not adding up

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The discussion revolves around a lab experiment involving the determination of spring constants using various masses and their corresponding displacements. Participants are analyzing the relationships between mass, displacement, and the calculated spring constants, questioning the validity of their results.

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  • Participants are examining the calculations of spring constants and questioning the accuracy of their data collection methods, particularly regarding unit conversions and the interpretation of linear relationships in their results.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into potential errors in calculations and data interpretation. Some have pointed out issues with axis labeling and the need for correct unit conversions, while others are exploring the implications of their findings on the spring constants.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a lab assignment, which may impose specific requirements for data collection and analysis. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in unit conversions and the setup of the experiment that could affect the results.

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For some reason, my spring constants are all screwy. an example

Masses (Newtons) .049 .098 .196 .294 .490
Displacement (kg) .006 .019 .035 .055 .090

and the line i got was Mass=.188d-.001

doesnt that mean that the spring constant is .188 N/m? that doesn't make any sense though, because i did 4 other springs and the stiffest one had a spring constant of .067. what am i doing wrong?
 
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Displacement is not Kg.

your intercept is wrong.The intercept should be the natural length of the spring, so it can't be negative.

You should redo the experiment.
 
right, i meant meters...not kilograms. typo.


as far as the y intercept being off, i set it equal to zero, so the original length would be zero. besides, those are millimeters, and there's something big wrong with the calculations...
 
Doubling your mass (such as from .049 to .098), should NOT more than double your displacement (which, respectively was .006 and then .019).

Also, those spring constants seem extraordinarily small. You are saying that using your stiffest spring, it only takes an increase of .067 N to increase the displacement by a meter. Do you remember your equations correctly? (hell, the units of a spring constant give it away)
 
i know, that's the problem. i have no idea why my constants are so small. here, the original data collected was:

5g 10g 20g 30g 50g
0.6cm 1.9 3.5 5.5 9.0

i divided all the grams by 1000 to get the weight in kilos, then multiplied them by 9.8 to get the mass in Newton.
i divided all lengths by 100 to get the number in meters...

im sure my problem was in my conversion, because it simply can't be anything else. any ideas?
 
Animal said:
i know, that's the problem. i have no idea why my constants are so small.

Just looking at your line, I'd say you've fitted the inverse line:
you seem to have written d = 0.188 M - 0.01 instead of M = 0.188 d - 0.01.

Fill in your data in your formula and you'll see: d is roughly about 1/5th of M, numerically.
 
Umm, dividing (.005kg * 9.8m/s^2) / (.006m) results in 8.167. So are you dividing wrong or something? (obviously this isn't the average, but I am just showing that it works out for the first data point).
 
vanesch, you were right. my axises (axes?) were reversed. thanks for the help guys
 

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