Simple work and accleration problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a crate being pulled by a rope with a constant horizontal force while experiencing friction. The problem requires determining the acceleration of the crate, the net force acting on it, and the magnitude of the frictional force.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate acceleration using the change in velocity over time and questions the relationship between net force and mass. They express confusion regarding the frictional force and its interaction with the applied force.
  • Some participants suggest reconsidering the concept of net force and clarify that the net force is the total of all external forces acting on the crate.
  • Others explore the implications of viewing the crate as a single system, questioning how the forces interact to produce the observed acceleration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications about the concepts of net force and the relationship between applied and frictional forces. There is a productive exchange of ideas, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the original poster's understanding of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of force interactions, particularly in the context of homework constraints that may limit the depth of exploration. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their reasoning and the definitions involved.

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Homework Statement


A rope exerts a constant horiztonal force of 250N to pull a 60kg crate across the floor. The velocity of the crate is observed to increase from 1m/s to 3m/s in a time of 2 seconds under the influence of this force and the frictional force exerted by the floor on the crate
A) what is the acceleration of the crate?
b) what is the netforce acting on the crate?
c) what is the magnitude of the frictional force acting on the crate?

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) because of the given information i use the difference in velocity by time to produce a result of 1m/s. I am not sure if i should be a = fnet/mass

b) i use the eq force = ma, 60kg * 1m/s = 60N

c) This is where i am having difficulty, i know for the acceleration to be 1m/s, the equation would ultimatey have to be a = fnet/mass = 60n/60kg. subtracting 60n from the 250 yeilds the number, 190, which is the one i need to subtract from the given force to get 60. but i am having a hard time understanding how a 60N force on a crate can produce 130n in friction? Am i way off with my attempts?

Thank you for your help.
 
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Hi highcontrast! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(your a and b are fine, and no you don't need to use the mass to get the acceleration from the velocities … it's just a matter of geometry :wink:)
highcontrast said:
c) This is where i am having difficulty, i know for the acceleration to be 1m/s, the equation would ultimatey have to be a = fnet/mass = 60n/60kg. subtracting 60n from the 250 yeilds the number, 190, which is the one i need to subtract from the given force to get 60. but i am having a hard time understanding how a 60N force on a crate can produce 130n in friction? Am i way off with my attempts?

why are you subtracting 60 twice? :confused:

applied force 250 one way, friction force 190 the other way, so net force = 60, so acceleration = 60/60 = 1 …

what's worrying you about that? :smile:
 
That's a much more simple way of puting it! I think I may just be confused about the concept of 'net force' and not all that confident in my abilities. The answer definitely made sense in my head. The notion of 60N force acting on the box is what perplexed me. I, somehow, assumed that to be the netforce acting only on the box, but what I failed to realize is that its one system, meaning that 60N netforce would have been the result of the frictional force, and the pulling force.. Am I right in this line of thought?
 
Hi highcontrast! :wink:

Yes, the net force (the total force) is all the external forces on the body,

and it's always the F in F = ma.

As you say, the box is "one system" …

so in the end we can always lump all the forces together as "one force" (and similarly "one torque"). :smile:
 

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