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The discussion revolves around the simplification of mathematical problems presented through images. Participants explore different approaches to solving these problems, including the application of mathematical principles and tests for convergence in series.

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  • One participant explains the simplification of a fraction involving factorials and powers, demonstrating the process of dividing by a fraction as equivalent to multiplying by its inverse.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about a second problem, questioning its formulation and suggesting a potential error in the variable used for limits.
  • A third participant points out that if a limit equals a specific value, it cannot be divergent, referencing the ratio test for convergence of infinite series.
  • Some participants share their attempts to verify the simplification process through specific values of k, indicating a personal struggle with understanding the problem.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the problems presented. While some find clarity in the first problem's simplification, others challenge the formulation of the second problem and its implications, indicating unresolved disagreements.

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There are potential ambiguities in the second problem's formulation, particularly concerning the variables used in limits and the definitions of convergence. These aspects remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Math problem (picture) (second problem added)

Can anyone explain this simplification?

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/1786/maproblem1bm.jpg

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You probably know that dividing by a fraction is the same as multiplying it with the inverse. So that (a/b)/(c/d) = (a/b)*(d/c). Applying that here gives

\frac{{\frac{{3^{k + 1} }}{{\left( {k + 1} \right)!}}}}{{\frac{{3^k }}{{k!}}}} = \frac{{3^{k + 1} }}{{\left( {k + 1} \right)!}}\frac{{k!}}{{3^k }} = \frac{{3 \cdot 3^k \cdot k!}}{{3^k \left( {k + 1} \right) \cdot k!}} = \frac{3}{{\left( {k + 1} \right)}}
 
Very good, thank you!,

convincing myself!
K=1
1*2=(1+1)*1 ok

k=2
1*2*3=(3*1*2)

k=3
1*2*3*4=(4*1*2*3)

Now i se it's obvious stupid me :(...
 
I wonder can anyone simplifi this problem? what am i missing?

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1434/maproblem22pi.jpg
 
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What? That problem doesn't make any sense. Are you sure you've written it down correctly?
 
1. Your picture says lim_{x->\infty} but there is no x in the formula. Did you mean k instead of x?

2. If the limit you show equals any y, then, by definition, it is not divergent!

I think you are referring to the "ratio" test for infinite series:
If the limit lim_{k->\infty}\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}= y
and y< 1 then the infinite series \Sigma_{k=1}^{\infty}a_n
converges, if y>1 then it diverges.

The general proof of that is given in any calculus text. It basically uses y to compare the series to a geometric series.

If, eventually, \frac{a_{k+1}}{a_k}&lt; y then we can write ak+1< yak< y2ak-1< ...< yka1 so that the series in dominated by the geometric series \Sigma_{k=1}^{\infty}a_1y^k which converges if y< 1.
 
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