Simplifying a square root expression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the simplification of the expression $$\sqrt{ 1 - \frac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}}$$ and its comparison to a textbook result of $$\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}$$. Participants explore the validity of the simplification and the conditions under which it holds, focusing on mathematical reasoning and potential errors in the textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how the textbook simplifies the expression to $$\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}$$.
  • Another participant suggests that the correct simplification should yield $$\frac{|x|}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}$$, indicating that the textbook's claim may not be accurate.
  • Several participants propose rewriting the expression as $$\sqrt{\dfrac{x^2 + 16}{x^2 + 16} - \dfrac{16}{x^2 + 16}}$$ and simplifying it further, but they note that this leads to complications regarding the absolute value of $$x$$.
  • There is a mention of a potential typo in the textbook, with one participant questioning the accuracy of the text and suggesting that an extra radical may be missing in the denominator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the simplification process or the correctness of the textbook's result. Multiple competing views remain regarding the proper handling of the expression and the implications of the absolute value.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of knowing the domain of $$x$$ when considering the simplification, as it affects whether $$\sqrt{x^2}$$ should be treated as $$|x|$$ or $$x$$. There is also uncertainty about the accuracy of the textbook's expression.

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I have this expression:

$$\sqrt{ 1 - \frac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}}$$

And the textbook simplifies it to

$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}$$

But I'm not sure how it does this.
 
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I can see the following being true:

$$\sqrt{1-\frac{16}{x^2+16}}=\frac{|x|}{\sqrt{x^2+16}}$$

But what you say your textbook is implying is not true.
 
tmt said:
I have this expression:

$$\sqrt{ 1 - \frac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}}$$

And the textbook simplifies it to

$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}$$

But I'm not sure how it does this.
Suggestions (in general):
1: during simplification process, let k = SQRT(x^2 + 16);
saves significant "time"

2: substitute a value for x: then check if original
expression = book's expression
 
tmt said:
I have this expression:

$$\sqrt{ 1 - \frac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}}$$

And the textbook simplifies it to

$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}$$

But I'm not sure how it does this.

Write:

$\sqrt{ 1 - \dfrac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}} = \sqrt{\dfrac{x^2 + 16}{x^2 + 16} - \dfrac{16}{x^2 + 16}}$

and simplify the numerator under the radical.

As MarkFL implies, unless the domain of $x$ is known to be non-negative, we have:

$\sqrt{x^2} = |x|$, not $x$.
 
Deveno said:
Write:

$\sqrt{ 1 - \dfrac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}} = \sqrt{\dfrac{x^2 + 16}{x^2 + 16} - \dfrac{16}{x^2 + 16}}$

and simplify the numerator under the radical.

As MarkFL implies, unless the domain of $x$ is known to be non-negative, we have:

$\sqrt{x^2} = |x|$, not $x$.

$\sqrt{ 1 - \dfrac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}} = \sqrt{\dfrac{x^2 + 16}{x^2 + 16} - \dfrac{16}{x^2 + 16}}$

but this is clearly not true.
 
mrtwhs said:
but this is clearly not true.
Looks to me like a ye olde typo, nuttin' else !
 
mrtwhs said:
$\sqrt{ 1 - \dfrac{16}{\sqrt{x^2 + 16}}} = \sqrt{\dfrac{x^2 + 16}{x^2 + 16} - \dfrac{16}{x^2 + 16}}$

but this is clearly not true.

Indeed, I missed an extra radical in the denominator, leaving me to wonder what the text in question actually says...
 

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