Simplifying ln: A Calculus Struggle

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression ln [(e^1-3ln2)/(2∏/e)], which falls under the subject area of calculus, specifically logarithmic properties and simplification techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the simplification of the logarithmic expression, questioning the correctness of their initial attempts and the application of logarithmic properties. There is a focus on understanding the structure of the expression and the implications of the terms involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and suggestions regarding logarithmic properties. Some participants express confusion about the formulation of the problem and seek clarification on the correct approach to simplification.

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There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the expression's setup, as well as a reference to textbook material that may be influencing the participants' interpretations. Participants acknowledge their uncertainty and the need for a review of relevant concepts.

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Homework Statement



Simplify
ln [(e^1-3ln2)/(2∏/e)]

Homework Equations



I was using the equation e^lnx = x to try and simplify the numerator, but I am unsure if that is correct.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am very rusty with my calculus and when it comes to using ln, I tend to get stumped with the question.
I had simplified the numerator to -5 using e^lnx = x, but I was very unsure if this is correct; I may be making up rules of my own.
The denominator was simplified to 2∏(e^-1)
The entire fraction was then ln (-5/(2∏(e^-1)) and I couldn't figure out what to do next with this.
 
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Tweedybird said:

Homework Statement



Simplify
ln [(e^1-3ln2)/(2∏/e)]

Homework Equations



I was using the equation e^lnx = x to try and simplify the numerator, but I am unsure if that is correct.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am very rusty with my calculus and when it comes to using ln, I tend to get stumped with the question.
I had simplified the numerator to -5 using e^lnx = x, but I was very unsure if this is correct; I may be making up rules of my own.
The denominator was simplified to 2∏(e^-1)
The entire fraction was then ln (-5/(2∏(e^-1)) and I couldn't figure out what to do next with this.
Hello Tweedybird. Welcome to PF !

If what you have is indeed
[itex]\displaystyle \ln \left(\frac{e^1-3\ln(2)}{2\pi/e}\right)[/itex]​
then you are very far off.

Perhaps you meant
[itex]\displaystyle \ln \left(\frac{e^{1-3\ln(2)}}{2\pi/e}\right)\ .[/itex]​

Well ... there's still a problem.
 
SammyS said:
Hello Tweedybird. Welcome to PF !

If what you have is indeed
[itex]\displaystyle \ln \left(\frac{e^1-3\ln(2)}{2\pi/e}\right)[/itex]​
then you are very far off.

Perhaps you meant
[itex]\displaystyle \ln \left(\frac{e^{1-3\ln(2)}}{2\pi/e}\right)\ .[/itex]​

Well ... there's still a problem.


The second one is exactly the question I need help with! Sorry for the confusion, but I'm not sure why there is a problem with it, it is in my textbook as a question to be simplified!
 
Tweedybird said:
The second one is exactly the question I need help with! Sorry for the confusion, but I'm not sure why there is a problem with it, it is in my textbook as a question to be simplified!
Review properties of logarithms & exponents.

One property that you may find helpful is:
[itex]\displaystyle \ln\left(\frac{A}{B}\right)=\ln(A)-\ln(B)[/itex]​
 
SammyS said:
Review properties of logarithms & exponents.

One property that you may find helpful is:
[itex]\displaystyle \ln\left(\frac{A}{B}\right)=\ln(A)-\ln(B)[/itex]​

I figured the question out! A little review and that hint helped me out quite a bit! Like I said in my post, I am a little rusty with this subject! Thank you for your help :)
 

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