Simplifying Summation and Factorial

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The discussion revolves around the simplification steps involved in deriving the Poisson distribution from the binomial distribution. Participants explore the mathematical transformations and assumptions required to transition between different forms of the equations, focusing on factorials and limits as \( n \) approaches infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the simplification step between two forms of the equation, specifically regarding the transition involving factorials and limits.
  • Another participant suggests that the simplifications involve splitting a factor into two parts, moving constants, and explicitly writing out the factorials in a specific manner.
  • A different participant notes that if \( k \) is fixed, certain terms converge to specific values, leading to the Poisson term for \( k \).
  • Another contribution reiterates the relationship between the factorial expressions and the limits, emphasizing the manipulation of terms to arrive at the Poisson distribution form.

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Participants express differing views on the simplification process, with no consensus reached on the exact steps or methods used. Multiple competing interpretations of the simplification exist.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of terms as \( n \) approaches infinity are not explicitly stated, and the dependence on the fixed nature of \( k \) is acknowledged but not fully explored.

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I was looking at the web page containing a derivation for the Poisson distribution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

which derives it as the limiting case of the binomial distribution. There is a simplification step which I am missing, which is the step(s) between

[tex] \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}\left(\frac{\lambda}{n}\right)^k\left(1-\frac{\lambda}{n}\right)^{n-k}[/tex]

and

[tex] =\lim_{n\to\infty} \underbrace{\left({n \over n}\right)\left({n-1 \over n}\right)\left({n-2 \over n}\right) \cdots \left({n-k+1 \over n}\right)}\ \underbrace{\left({\lambda^k \over k!}\right)}\ \underbrace{\left(1-{\lambda \over n}\right)^n}\ \underbrace{\left(1-{\lambda \over n}\right)^{-k}}[/tex]

Does the main simplification come from:

[tex] \frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} \left( \frac{\lambda}{n} \right)^k[/tex]

[tex] =\frac{(n-k+1)!\lambda^k}{k!n^k}[/tex]

?
 
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No, too complicated. The "simplifications" they have done are
1) split the last factor in two with powers n and -k
2) move 1/k! into the 2nd to last factor
3) write n!/(n-k)! explicitly as k terms while stealing the (1/n)^k from the 2nd to last term.
 
If k is fixed, (n/n)...((n-k+1)/n) ->1, (1-L/n)n) -> e-L, and (1-L/n)-k ->1.

This results in the Poisson term for k.
 
[tex]\frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!}\left(\frac{\lambda}{n}\right)^n= \frac{\lambda^k}{k!}\frac{n!}{(n-k)!n^k}= \frac{\lambda^k}{k!}\frac{n(n-1)\cdot\cdot\cdot(n-k+1)}{n^k}= \frac{\lambda^n}{k!}\frac{n}{n}\frac{n-1}{n}\cdot\cdot\cdot\frac{n-k+1}{n}[/tex]
 

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