Simpliying this partial differential equation

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a partial differential equation involving variables x, y, and z, and their relationships through differentiation with respect to another set of variables w. The original poster seeks clarification on the notation and the implications of certain terms in the equation.

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  • Participants question the meaning of the equation and the implications of the delta terms. There are requests for clarification on the range of indices and the relationship between the variables involved. The original poster attempts to clarify the differentiation notation and how the variables x, y, and z are expressed in terms of w.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on notation and relationships between variables. Some guidance has been provided regarding the range of indices and the differentiation process, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the equation itself.

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How to simplify this partial differential equation?
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Hello, I need help in this simple example:

Consider for instance a partial differential equation:

##
(x + y ) \delta_{ij} + \partial_i \partial_j x = \partial_i \partial_j y + z \delta_{ij} , ##

where ## \delta_{ij} = (-1,1,1,1) ## is a diagonal metric, and ##x ## , ##y ##, and ##z ## are functions in ##i,j## .
Does this equation mean that:

## x+y =z ##, and
## x = y##?

I mean ## \delta_{ij} ## terms in the LHS of the eqaution equal those at the RHS ?

with knowing that ## \partial_i \partial_j x ## term dose not vanish for ## \delta_{ij}=1 ##


Any help is appreciated!
 
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Safinaz said:
Any help is appreciated!
I think your notation is confusing. Can you clarify:
  • What range does the index ##i## run over: ##\left( 1,2,3\right)## or ##\left( 0,1,2,3\right)## or something else?
  • What explicitly are the variables ##w^i## that you are differentiating with respect to, i.e., ##\partial_{i}=\partial/\partial w^{i}##?
  • How are these variables related to ##x,y,z##?
 
renormalize said:
I think your notation is confusing. Can you clarify:
  • What range does the index ##i## run over: ##\left( 1,2,3\right)## or ##\left( 0,1,2,3\right)## or something else?
  • What explicitly are the variables ##w^i## that you are differentiating with respect to, i.e., ##\partial_{i}=\partial/\partial w^{i}##?

renormalize said:
How are these variables related to ##x,y,z##?
Hi, thanks for reply.

  • What range does the index ##i## run over: ##\left( 1,2,3\right)## or ##\left( 0,1,2,3\right)## or something else? Ans.: ##\left( 0,1,2,3\right)##
  • What explicitly are the variables ##w^i## that you are differentiating with respect to, i.e., ##\partial_{i}=\partial/\partial w^{i}##? Ans.: It is ##\partial_{i}=\partial/\partial w^{i}##?
  • How are these variables related to ##x,y,z##? Ans.: consider for instance ##\partial_{i} x =\partial x /\partial w^{i} ##. So that x, y and z can be written explicitly as x(w), y(w), and z(w).
 
OK, thanks for clearing things up!
So we have:$$\left(x+y\right)\delta_{ij}+\frac{\partial^{2}x}{\partial w^{i}\partial w^{j}}=\frac{\partial^{2}y}{\partial w^{i}\partial w^{j}}+z\delta_{ij}\;\Rightarrow\;\left(x+y-z\right)\delta_{ij}=\frac{\partial^{2}\left(y-x\right)}{\partial w^{i}\partial w^{j}}$$or:$$U\delta_{ij}=\frac{\partial^{2}V}{\partial w^{i}\partial w^{j}}\quad\text{where}\quad U\equiv x+y-z,\;V\equiv y-x\tag{1a,b,c}$$Contracting (1a) with ##\delta^{ij}## gives ##4U=\partial^{2}V/\partial w^{i}\partial w_{i}\equiv\square V##, leading to:$$\frac{1}{4}\square V\delta_{ij}=\frac{\partial^{2}V}{\partial w^{i}\partial w^{j}},\quad U=\frac{1}{4}\square V\tag{2a,b}$$The off-diagonal (##i\neq j##) terms of (2a) are: $$0=\partial_{0}\partial_{1}V=\partial_{0}\partial_{2}V=\partial_{0}\partial_{3}V=\partial_{1}\partial_{2}V=\partial_{1}\partial_{3}V=\partial_{2}\partial_{3}V$$with the unique solution ##V=k##, where ##k## is an arbitrary constant. Thus, ##U=\frac{1}{4}\square V=0##, and from (1b,c) we get finally:$$y=x+k,\;z=2x+k\;\left( x\text{ an arbitrary function},\;k\text{ an arbitrary constant}\right)$$
 
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