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The discussion revolves around determining a suitable size for a gantry girder beam based on given parameters such as maximum bending stress and modulus of elasticity. Participants explore the relationship between section modulus, bending moment, and stress in the context of beam design, specifically for a homework problem involving simply supported beams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to find the section modulus (Z) to select the appropriate girder from standard tables, noting the maximum bending stress and modulus of elasticity.
  • Another participant suggests that the bending moment (M) is likely the maximum bending moment in the beam, which the original poster calculated as 120 kNm.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for more information to provide better assistance, indicating that standard steel tables do not specifically list 'gantry beams' but rather by size and weight.
  • There is mention of the importance of selecting the correct Z value based on how the bending moment is applied, suggesting that multiple Z values may exist for different applications of the girder.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to determine the bending moment and section modulus, but there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of the standard tables and the correct application of the bending moment in the context of selecting the girder.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified the definitions or assumptions related to the bending moment and section modulus, nor have they resolved how to interpret the standard tables for gantry girders.

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Homework Statement



This is the question i am asked:

Determine a suitable size for the (gantry girder) beam selected from standard section tables.

Prior to that is some information:

The cross-section of the beam shows that of a Gantry Girder. The maximum bending stress in the girder musn't exceed 32MN/m^2 and the modulus of elasticity can be assumed to be 280GN/m^2


Homework Equations



What has been looked at in class before being given the homework follows:

Section Modulus: Sigma max = M / Z

Theory of Simple Bending: E/R = sigma/y = M/I


The Attempt at a Solution



I believe I need to find Z to help locate in the standard section table the chosen girder.


Looking at the information, i have the following values known:

sigma max = 32MN/m^2 = 32 x 10^6 N/m^2
Modulus of E = 280GN/m^2 = 280 x 10^9 N/m^2


Thats all i have, i know it's a gantry girder so in the section tables i look in the table for gantry girders only.

I remember doing something in class to find the Z value, which when known you look into the Zxx column of the table and find the nearest values to yours and then read the row to find the breadth and depth.


What does M represent in this equation: sigma max = M / Z? I know it isn't the modulus of E.

Thats why I'm looking at this other equation: E/R = sigma/y = M/I - because both values known are in this equation, but how to i find M from this if this is how i do it?

I have questions following this one such as:

Determine radius of curvature and Determine the actual maximum stress value in the chosen beam.

I don't want help with these, i just need reminded of how to find the right girder or am i mis-reading the question and i should just chose one instead?

The sooner you reply the sooner i can thank you :)
 
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There's probably some stuff that you haven't told us about your problem.
Steel tables don't have a section titled 'gantry beams'. Beams are listed by size and/or weight.
You are given maximum bending stress for the material. Perhaps M is the bending moment?
If you want more help remembering what it is you want to do with this problem, supply us with more information.
 
I have a sheet titled 'Tables of Properties'

On it are Universal Beams, Structural Tees and Gantry Girders.

Before this question i drew a simply supported beam with two UDL's, a SFD and a BMD, But that is irrelevant to this erm...

My maximum bending moment was 120kNm however on my BMD analysis. If that could be my M value then I'm sorted, but before i dive in, could you confirm if ths sounds right?

Thanks for replying and for pointing out the lack of info, i tried my best.
 
Select Z from your properties sheet so that the max. bending stress of your gantry beam is less than 32 MPa, given the max, BM of 120 kNm. You might have two Z values for each girder, so choose the one which is correct for the way the bending moment is applied.
 

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