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If ##b \leq x_n \leq c## for all but a finite number of n, show that ##b \leq \operatorname{lim inf}_{n \to \infty} x_n## and ##\operatorname{lim sup}_{n \to \infty} x_n \leq c_n##
(Buck, Advanced Calculus, Section 1.6, Exercise 24)

Let ##\beta =\operatorname{lim inf}_{n \to \infty} x_n## and ##\alpha = \operatorname{lim sup}_{n \to \infty} x_n##. Let ##\varepsilon## be any number greater than 0. Since ##\beta## and ##\alpha## are limit points, there exists subsequences of integers ##\{n_k\}## and ##\{n_i\}##, both infinite, such that ##|x_{n_k}-\beta| \leq \varepsilon## and ##|x_{n_i}-\alpha| \leq \varepsilon## Then, ##-\varepsilon \geq x_{n_k}-\beta \leq \varepsilon## and ##-\varepsilon \geq x_{n_i}-\alpha \leq \varepsilon##. From this, we get $$b \leq x_{n_k} \leq \beta + \varepsilon$$ and $$\alpha - \varepsilon \leq x_{n_i} \leq c$$ Since ##\varepsilon## is arbitrarily small, is it true that the inequalities above become ##b \leq \beta## and ##\alpha \leq c##
 
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yucheng said:
Since ##\beta## and ##\alpha## and limit points, ##|x_n-\beta| \leq \varepsilon## and ##|x_n-\alpha| \leq \varepsilon##
Did you mean "are"? For which n is that supposed to hold? You didn't specify. What is ##\varepsilon##?
In general alpha and beta can be different, so they cannot both be the limit of the sequence.

Focus on one side, the other one is completely analogous.
 
mfb said:
Did you mean "are"? For which n is that supposed to hold? You didn't specify. What is ##\varepsilon##?
In general alpha and beta can be different, so they cannot both be the limit of the sequence.

Focus on one side, the other one is completely analogous.

I apologize for my inaccurate language. Let me fix my post.
 
wrobel said:
I prefer the following definition
$$\limsup x_n=\lim_{n\to\infty}\sup_{k\ge n}\{x_k\}.$$
With this the assertion is clear

Would you clarify which assertion? And what do you mean by ##\operatorname{sup_{k \geq n}}## (specifically ##k \geq n##)? Thanks!
 
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yucheng said:
Would you clarify which assertion?
the assertion you are supposed to prove:
if ##a\le x_n\le b\quad \forall n\in\mathbb{N}## then ##\limsup x_n\le b,\quad \liminf x_n\ge a##
yucheng said:
And what do you mean by (specifically )?
$$\sup_{k\ge n}\{x_k\}=\sup\{x_n,x_{n+1},\ldots\}$$