Sine Wave Addition: Standing Waves?

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The discussion centers around the conditions under which two sine waves with the same frequency and amplitude, but different phase shifts, can produce a standing wave. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and implications of phase shifts in wave addition, particularly in the context of standing waves.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether two sine waves with different phase shifts can still produce a standing wave.
  • Another participant references Wikipedia for a mathematical description of standing waves, but notes it does not address phase shifts.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the implications of phase shifts on the formation of standing waves, presenting specific wave equations for analysis.
  • One participant explains that the addition of a forward-traveling wave and a backward-traveling wave of the same amplitude results in a standing wave, citing a mathematical identity.
  • Another participant confirms that the equations presented do represent a standing wave and suggests a method for rewriting the equations for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the role of phase shifts in the creation of standing waves, as participants present differing views and interpretations of the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific mathematical identities and equations, but does not resolve the implications of phase shifts on standing wave formation. Some assumptions about wave behavior and definitions may be implicit.

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If two sine waves have the same frequency and amplitude but have different phase shift do they still produce a standing wave?
Thanks for the help.
 
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As far as i can see it doesn't say anything about phase shift so does that mean it doesn't affect anything?
 
wt is the phase shift

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_(waves )
 
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I'm sorry but I'm still confused. If y1 = Asin(kx-wt+phi) and y2 = Asin(kx+wt)
the addition is y= 2Acos(wt-phi/2)sin(kx+phi/2) where phi is the phase shift between 0 and 2pi. Does this still fit the standing wave equation y=(2Asin(kx))cos(wt) meaning its a standing wave or does the difference in phase shift mean they do not create a standing wave?
 
You have one forward-traveling wave (wt-kx) and one backward wave (wt+kx) of the same amplitude, which is a standing wave. My CRC Math Tables (10th Ed, 1954) on page 345 shows the sum

sin(x) + sin(y) = 2·sin[(x+y)/2]·cos[(x-y)/2]

Bob S
 
Marla,

Your equations will be easier to read if you typeset them in LaTeX.

Yes, the equation you give is a standing wave. If you start with

[itex]\Psi(x,t) = A\cos(\omega \left[t-t_0\right]) \sin (k\left[x-x_0\right])[/itex]

you can just define a new time coordinate and new space coordinate by

[itex]t' = t - t_0[/itex]
[itex]x' = x - x_0[/itex].

Then your original equation is just

[itex]\Psi(x',t') = A \cos(\omega t')\sin(k x')[/itex],

showing that the waveform is exactly the same as the standing wave you're used to.
 

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