Single molecule fluorescence microscopy and limits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the limitations of single molecule fluorescence microscopy, particularly regarding the necessary absorption coefficients and radiative rates for effective detection. Participants explore the technical requirements and challenges associated with combining imaging and spectroscopy in a research proposal context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidelines on the absorption coefficient and radiative rate necessary for detecting molecules using fluorescence microscopy, acknowledging the influence of factors like bleaching and experimental duration.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the signal-to-noise ratio in single-molecule fluorescence, noting that different approaches exist depending on whether spatial localization or mere detection is desired.
  • A participant expresses interest in using a confocal technique with an Nd:YAG laser, while also requesting information on the order of magnitude for molecular limits and potential setups.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the feasibility of using hyperspectral imaging, which may reduce available signal, and the need for modifications to commercial confocal units when using an Nd:YAG laser.
  • One participant acknowledges their lack of expertise and expresses a desire to understand the technical aspects better, mentioning that they are not expected to know the reviewers of their proposal.
  • Participants discuss alternative laser options, including argon and nitrogen lasers, and the implications of using different excitation sources on the strength of the signal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of concern regarding the technical knowledge required for the proposed research, with some questioning the feasibility of the proposal based on the inquirer's expertise. There is no consensus on the specific limits for detection or the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves complex technical requirements and that the effectiveness of different setups may depend on specific conditions and configurations. The conversation reflects uncertainty about the optimal hardware and methodologies for achieving the desired outcomes in fluorescence microscopy.

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Researchers and students interested in single molecule fluorescence microscopy, particularly those exploring the technical limitations and experimental setups for combining imaging and spectroscopy.

HAYAO
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I want to ask the limits on the molecule side for single molecule fluorescence microscopy. I am writing a proposal but I lack experimental knowledge since no one in my lab have ever used one.

At least how much of an absorption coefficient, with at least how much of a radiative rate is necessary for detecting on fluorescence microscope if combined with spectrometer and you want decent wavelength resolution?

*I know it also depends on other factors such as bleaching and the length of the experiment one is expecting, but I want some guidelines.
 
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HAYAO said:
I want to ask the limits on the molecule side for single molecule fluorescence microscopy. I am writing a proposal but I lack experimental knowledge since no one in my lab have ever used one.

A proposal to whom?

Single-molecule fluorescence is all about the signal to noise ratio, and there are many different approaches, depending if you want to (for example) spatially localize the molecule (imaging) or not (detection). Combining imaging with spectroscopy will decrease the signal even further.
 
Thank you Andy.

Research proposal for funding.

I do need to spatially localize the molecule and combine spectroscopy.

I am thinking about confocal technique with Nd:YAG laser as excitation source but I know not everyone has this setup. It is fine if you have other setup; I still want to know the order of magnitude of the limits on the molecule side (and I would appreciate it if one could briefly provide the setup).
 
HAYAO said:
Research proposal for funding.

That's obvious- why else spend the time writing a proposal? To whom are you submitting? I ask because reviewers will quickly see that you have no expertise and so the probability of you successfully carrying out the work is low.

Hyperspectral imaging (which is what you want to do) minimizes the available signal. Using an Nd:YAG in a confocal requires modification of most commercial units, and restricts the fluorophores you can use. If you don't even know what hardware is required, I don't understand why you would bother to submit a proposal.
 
Andy Resnick said:
That's obvious- why else spend the time writing a proposal? To whom are you submitting? I ask because reviewers will quickly see that you have no expertise and so the probability of you successfully carrying out the work is low.

Hyperspectral imaging (which is what you want to do) minimizes the available signal. Using an Nd:YAG in a confocal requires modification of most commercial units, and restricts the fluorophores you can use. If you don't even know what hardware is required, I don't understand why you would bother to submit a proposal.
Yes, I have no expertise, which is why I am asking. I'm sure I've said that before. I don't know who is going to read (I am not supposed to) but will likely be some professor in photochemistry.

Like I said, I know the thing is technical. People make a career out of the machine itself. So I am not expecting it to be simple.

It doesn't have to be Nd:YAG. It was a example only because I have the diode pumped Nd:YAG right now so I qualitatively know the output power in CW mode for THG wavelength, and have been using that for the molecules I am working on. But argon lasers and nitrogen lasers are still fine (or maybe some diode-laser), argon works better for my molecules in terms of excitation wavelength. It's just that I don't have it right now so I don't have any idea how strong they are going to be.

I know hyperspectral imaging is going to minimize the available signal, qualitatively.
 
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