Single particle shell model for nucleus

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The discussion revolves around predicting the ground state spin and parity for the isotopes ^{7}_{3}Li, ^{15}_{7}N, and ^{31}_{15}P using the single particle shell model for nuclei. Participants explore the arrangement of protons and neutrons in various energy shells and how this affects the overall properties of the nuclei.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants examine the filling of nuclear shells for protons and neutrons, questioning the occupancy and energy levels of various shells. There is discussion about the implications of missing protons as holes and how this affects parity. Some participants express confusion regarding the parity of unpaired nucleons and the transition between energy levels.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing corrections to initial assumptions about shell ordering and occupancy. Some have offered insights into the relationship between parity and angular momentum, while others express uncertainty and seek clarification on the concepts being discussed.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of parity and the implications of missing nucleons. Participants are also addressing discrepancies in the shell model's energy level ordering and occupancy values.

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Homework Statement



Predict the ground state spin and parity for ^{7}_{3}Li, ^{15}_{7}N. ^{31}_{15}P.

Homework Equations



Fill up shells for neutrons and protons separately.
Shells in increasing energy are: 1S_{1/2}, 1P_{3/2}, 1P_{1/2}, 1S_{1/2}, 1D_{5/2}, 1D_{3/2}
and have occupancies: 2, 4, 2, 6, 4, 8, 6

A missing proton is a hole with parity -1.
An unpaired neutron has parity +1.

The Attempt at a Solution



^{7}_{3}Li: We have odd protons so only interested in this. 1S_{1/2} fills up. Then only one proton out of four sits in 1P_{3/2}. It has j = 3/2 and parity -1.

^{15}_{7}N: We are interested in the 7 protons. We will be left with one hole in 1P_{1/2} so it has j = 1/2 and parity -1.

^{31}_{15}P: We are interested in the 15 protons. We fill up 2, 4, 2, 6 and then are left with 1 out of 4 in 1D_{3/2}. This unpaired proton should have spin 3/2 and parity -1 if I use my same method.
However the answer given is that the unpaired proton sits in the 2S_{1/2} so has spin
1/2 and parity +1. How am I to know that jumping up to 2S is more favourable than carrying on through the 1X's? Why is the parity now +1. Does it flip when you jump from 1X to 2X?
 
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Can you check your list ? there are 6 shells with ##1S_{1/2}## appearing twice (I take it the second should be ##2S_{1/2}## ?) and there are 7 occupancies, with unlikely values. I would expect something like 2,4,2,2,6,4 but that still brings you to ##1D_{5/2}## with P, so it looks as if the ##2S_{1/2}## sits between ##1D_{5/2}## and ##1D_{3/2}## , which isn't impossible. See http://jol.liljenzin.se/KAPITEL/CH11NY3.PDF 310-313
 
Sorry for sloppy post, and also you are right about the ordering. Let me write it out correctly.

BOYLANATOR said:

Homework Statement



Predict the ground state spin and parity for ^{7}_{3}Li, ^{15}_{7}N. ^{31}_{15}P.

Homework Equations



Fill up shells for neutrons and protons separately.
Shells in increasing energy are: 1S_{1/2}, 1P_{3/2}, 1P_{1/2}, 1D_{5/2}, 2S_{1/2}, 1D_{3/2}
and have occupancies: 2, 4, 2, 6, 2, 4, 8, 6

A missing proton is a hole with parity -1.
An unpaired neutron has parity +1.

The Attempt at a Solution



^{7}_{3}Li: We have odd protons so only interested in this. 1S_{1/2} fills up. Then only one proton out of four sits in 1P_{3/2}. It has j = 3/2 and parity -1.

^{15}_{7}N: We are interested in the 7 protons. We will be left with one hole in 1P_{1/2} so it has j = 1/2 and parity -1.
 
^{31}_{15}P: We are interested in the 15 protons. We fill up 2, 4, 2, 6 and then are left with 1 out of 2 in 2S_{1/2}. The hole should have spin 1/2 as given in solution.

Regarding the parity, does it flip when we jump up an energy level. (Going from 1S_{1/2} to 2S_{1/2} is jumping up an energy level right? Increasing the quantum number n.)
 
I don't really know much about parity and I don't understand the "a missing proton is a hole with parity -1".

As far as I know parity depends on angular momentum L as (-1)L and the primary quantum number n doesn't appear. S states are L=0 states, so definitely even parity: there is no ##\theta,\, \phi## dependence.
 
I found this on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_shell_model#Other_properties_of_nuclei.

"All protons in the same level (n) have the same parity (either +1 or −1), and since the parity of a pair of particles is the product of their parities, an even number of protons from the same level (n) will have +1 parity"

Although it doesn't state it explicitly this suggests that the parity does switch as you move up n.
 
I am not buying it. The whole S, P, D thing comes from splitting the r dependency in the wavefunction from the ##\theta, \phi## dependence. n has to do with the r (##|\vec r|##) dependence -- even parity, period. Proton itself has intrinsic party +1 (definition). Odd parity can come from l and m and it turns out p = (-1)l.

Wikipedia isn't always right. I'm not always right either, so if someone could set this straight, I'd be grateful.
 
BvU said:
I don't really know much about parity and I don't understand the "a missing proton is a hole with parity -1".

As far as I know parity depends on angular momentum L as (-1)L and the primary quantum number n doesn't appear. S states are L=0 states, so definitely even parity: there is no ##\theta,\, \phi## dependence.

Yes, the missing proton is a hole with parity -1 is the problem statement here I think. I read this out of context and it doesn't help.

I've learned one should just think in terms of unpaired protons in terms of holes. So the parity is simply +1 as it is in an l = 0 shell and the unpaired proton has +1 parity.

I get it now. Thanks!
 

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