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The discussion revolves around the mixing of singlet and triplet states via spin-orbit coupling in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical treatment of spin operators and the evaluation of specific quantum states, particularly focusing on the action of the operator \( s_{1z} - s_{2z} \) on the singlet state \( |0,0\rangle \).

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how the operator \( (s_{1z} - s_{2z}) |0,0\rangle \) leads to \( \hbar |1,0\rangle \) and seeks clarification on evaluating certain quantum state expressions.
  • Another participant suggests using the tensor product to handle the two sub-systems, indicating how to apply the spin operator to the state.
  • A participant mentions confusion regarding the notation used for quantum states, specifically the transition from \( \alpha, \beta \) to \( +, - \), and seeks help in evaluating \( s_z |+\rangle \).
  • Clarification is provided that the states \( + \) and \( - \) correspond to \( \alpha \) and \( \beta \) respectively, and that they are orthogonal eigenstates of \( s_z \).
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach by considering the finite state space and suggests looking at external resources for explicit operator forms.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has gained clarity on the operator's function and plans to relate it back to spin-orbit coupling and singlet-triplet mixing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of the quantum states and their orthogonality, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific evaluations and the connection to spin-orbit coupling. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical handling of operators and inner products, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect their understanding of the topic.

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Hey guys!
I am trying to show how singlet and triplet states mix via spin-orbit coupling, but I am having some trouble.
I've gotten most of the way through, but I am stuck on how an operator works. Sadly, I think my poor basis in quantum is going to show right here.

My starting point...

\left(s_{1z}-s_{2z}\right)\left|0,0\right\rangle =\hbar \left|1,0\right\rangle

The book I am looking at sort of skims past this and assumes that I have a clue what is going on here.


So I know
\left|0,0\right\rangle =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left\{\left|-+\right\rangle -\left|+-\right\rangle \right\}
s_z=\frac{\hbar }{2}\left\{\left|+\right\rangle \left\langle +\right|-\left|-\right\rangle \left\langle -\right|\right\}

and I am thinking that
\left(s_{1z}-s_{2z}\right)\left|0,0\right\rangle = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(s_{1z}\left\{\left|-+\right\rangle -\left|+-\right\rangle \right\}-s_{2z}\left\{\left|-+\right\rangle -\left|+-\right\rangle \right\}\right)



After this it becomes a giant mess. Basically it hinges on my inability to evaluate things of the form
\left|+\right\rangle \left\langle +|-+\right\rangle

I am thinking that this is heavily reliant on some other basics as well. In determining the s_z spinor I am not sure how to evaluate something like
\left\langle +|+\right\rangle \left\langle +|+\right\rangle - \left\langle +|-\right\rangle \left\langle -|+\right\rangle
which is supposed to equal one and

\left\langle +|+\right\rangle \left\langle +|-\right\rangle - \left\langle +|-\right\rangle \left\langle -|-\right\rangle
which is supposed to equal zero


I was hoping that someone here would be able to help me figure out how
\left(s_{1z}-s_{2z}\right)\left|0,0\right\rangle =\hbar \left|1,0\right\rangle
and the above evaluations. Thanks a whole bunch!
 
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You have two sub-systems. A convenient way to take care of this is the tensor product:
You write e.g. : | ++>=|+>\otimes|+> and s_{1z}=s_z \otimes 1.
The action of the operator on the state then becomes:
s_{1z}|++>=s_z|+>\otimes 1|+>=\frac{\hbar}{2}|++>.
I hope that gives you an idea of how to proceed.
 
Yes! That definitely will help me on my way. Unfortunately, I am still having some difficulty.

This is the part that is giving me trouble.
s_z|+\rangle ⊗ 1|+\rangle

When I took a quantum class we never used the +/- notation, we were trained with α and β, but it seems that most modern books are using the +/-. Because of this, I am not very familiar with their mathematical meaning.

If you could be so kind as to help me solve: s_z|+\rangle?

Here's my current process:

If s_z=\frac{\hbar }{2}\left[\left|+\right\rangle \left\langle +\right|-\left|-\right\rangle \left\langle -\right|\right]
then s_z\left|+\right\rangle =\frac{\hbar }{2}[|+\rangle \langle +|+\rangle - |-\rangle \langle -|+\rangle]

This is where I am stuck (If I am even correct to this point... for all I know, I may not be clear on the proper way to handle the operator)
Does <+|+> = 1 and <-|+> = 0? because that would make sense for getting \frac{\hbar }{2}|+\rangle
(would this also mean that <-|-> = 1? or would it be -1?)

If so, how do I get the 0 and 1? If not, then how do I evaluate these correctly?

Thanks again!
 
yes, + and - correspond one to one to alpha and beta.
They are defined to be the eigenstates of s_z.
The two states are orthogonal to each other (like any two eigenstates of a hermitian operator belonging to two different eigenvalues, namely that of s_z) whence <+|->=0 and <+|+>=1.
 
I think one alternative way of seeing things is to realize that you're working within a finite state space (4 dimensional) and that you can write down these operators explicitly. Take a look at this page:

http://electron6.phys.utk.edu/qm1/modules/m10/twospin.htm

I don't get what your question has to do with SO coupling though.
 
Thanks a bunch! After having a good think about it, it all makes perfect sense now and I now know exactly how the s_1z-s_2z operator works. I will post how it relates to spin orbit coupling and singlet triplet mixing a little later once I have written it out in an understandable manner.
 

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