Small question about speed of the ball

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The discussion centers around a physics problem involving the speed of a ball, specifically relating to centripetal acceleration and tangential velocity. Participants are examining the relationship between these concepts and the calculations involved in determining the speed.

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  • Participants explore the formula for centripetal acceleration and question whether the speed to be found is indeed the tangential velocity. There are attempts to clarify the values used in calculations and the relationships between forces acting on the ball.

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The discussion has seen participants questioning their calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the values of centripetal acceleration and radius. Some participants have provided guidance on checking the calculations, while others express confusion over discrepancies in their results.

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There are indications of potential miscalculations and assumptions regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to the forces acting on the ball and the values derived from them.

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Homework Statement


Hello everyone,

I have this very quick and simple question:
This is the drawing of the problem and I have to find the speed of the ball.
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I found ac to be 0.83m/s2
and R = 1.2855

do I simply use this formula to find the speed? ac = v2/R
?
thank you
 
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The relationship between the (magnitude of) tangential velocity and the centripetal acceleration is ##a_c=v_t^2/r## ... you know this already (it should be in your notes next to the equation you wrote). So the only remaining issue must be whether or not the velocity you are asked to find is the tangential velocity.
How could you go about figuring that out?
 
Simon Bridge said:
The relationship between the (magnitude of) tangential velocity and the centripetal acceleration is ##a_c=v_t^2/r## ... you know this already (it should be in your notes next to the equation you wrote). So the only remaining issue must be whether or not the velocity you are asked to find is the tangential velocity.
How could you go about figuring that out?
Well it only says to find the speed of the ball, nothing else. I assumed its the tangential velocity. what other velocity is there to be calculated ?
 
Exactly ... so you have answered your own question.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Exactly ... so you have answered your own question.
But I don't understand because I don't get the correct answer.
answer is 3.25 and I get
0.83 = v2/1.2855
v=1.03294
 
From your value of ##a_c## I get their answer - so it is down to how you did the math.
What did you use for your value of "r"?
 
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masterchiefo said:
But I don't understand because I don't get the correct answer.
answer is 3.25 and I get
0.83 = v2/1.2855
v=1.03294
Your ac is wrong. How did you get it?
 
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masterchiefo said:
But I don't understand because I don't get the correct answer.
answer is 3.25 and I get 1.03294
Simon Bridge said:
From your value of ##a_c## I get their answer - so it is down to how you did the math.
What did you use for your value of "r"?
1.2855 = sin(40)*2
ehild said:
Your ac is wrong. How did you get it?
Forces in X = m*ac = -T*sin(40)
1kg*ac = -T*sin(40)
Forces in Y = 0 = -w+T*cos(40)
0 = -1kg*9.81+T*cos(40)

then when I do a solve with both equations I get T = 12.8 N and ac = 0.839
 
masterchiefo said:
1.2855 = sin(40)*2

Forces in X = m*ac = -T*sin(40)
1kg*ac = -T*sin(40)
Forces in Y = 0 = -w+T*cos(40)
0 = -1kg*9.81+T*cos(40)

then when I do a solve with both equations I get T = 12.8 N and ac = 0.839
ac=T sin(40), how is 12.8 sin(40) equal to 0.839?
 
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ehild said:
Your ac is wrong. How did you get it?
oh wow I really feel stupid now. I misstyped it in my calculator, I assumed it was correct since I was getting the correct value for T.

thank you very much :P
 
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masterchiefo said:
oh wow I really feel stupid now. I misstyped it in my calculator, I assumed it was correct since I was getting the correct value for T.

thank you very much :P
You are welcome.
The tension and weight as vectors ad up to the centripetal force and from the right triangle you can see at once that Fcp=W tan(theta)
 
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Simon Bridge said:
From your value of ##a_c## I get their answer - so it is down to how you did the math.
What did you use for your value of "r"?
thank you very much for helping me, appreciate it ;P
 

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