Comparing the Speeds of Thrown Balls at Ground Level

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two balls thrown from a building: one thrown straight up and the other straight down, both with the same initial speed. Participants are exploring which ball reaches the ground with greater speed, considering the effects of gravity and motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants suggest formulating the problem mathematically and consider relevant equations for vertical motion. Others question the assumptions made about the speeds of the balls upon reaching the ground and encourage a comparison of the velocity changes for the ball thrown upwards.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem mathematically and conceptually. There are differing opinions on the initial conclusions drawn by the original poster, and some participants emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying physics rather than jumping to conclusions.

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There is a mention of a missing section in the homework template regarding relevant equations, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup. Participants are also navigating the balance between mathematical solutions and conceptual understanding.

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Problem Statement

From the top of the building if we throw one ball straight up with speed v and one ball straight down with the same speed v, then which ball has the greater speed when it reaches the ground?

The attempt at a solution


I think the ball which is first thrown straight up will have greater speed (than the ball which is thrown straight down) when they reach the ground because it has had accelerated for longer time than the second ball.
 
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Gurasees said:
Problem Statement

From the top of the building if we throw one ball straight up with speed v and one ball straight down with the same speed v, then which ball has the greater speed when it reaches the ground?

The attempt at a solution


I think the ball which is first thrown straight up will have greater speed (than the ball which is thrown straight down) when they reach the ground because it has had accelerated for longer time than the second ball.
You deleted the part of the Homework Template that asks for the "Relevant Equations" -- you should use the equation for the vertical motion of that mass to figure this problem out. The answer may not be intuitive to you yet, so it's best to do the math...
 
Probably you should not guess, but try to formulate the problem mathematically. Do you have any idea which formulas you could use to solve it? If you are not familiar with these kind of calculations yet I suggest to start easy. What's the velocity of the ball, when touching the ground if ##v_0=0##?
 
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Without doing the actual calculations, can you describe how the first ball's velocity changes going up and compare that with how its velocity changes coming back down to you at the top of the building? Then you can compare that ball continuing down from the top of the building with the second ball you throw down from the same point.
 
In case you haven't figured it out yet from the other responses, your answer, OP, was wrong.
 
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stockzahn said:
Probably you should not guess, but try to formulate the problem mathematically. Do you have any idea which formulas you could use to solve it? If you are not familiar with these kind of calculations yet I suggest to start easy. What's the velocity of the ball, when touching the ground if ##v_0=0##?

Actually, as @FactChecker has implied, this can be solved conceptually without having to resort to solving the mathematics.

@Gurasees : For the ball that you tossed vertically upwards, what do you think its speed will be on the way down when it passes its original location?

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
Actually, as @FactChecker has implied, this can be solved conceptually without having to resort to solving the mathematics.
But I LIKE the math! :partytime:
 
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berkeman said:
But I LIKE the math! :partytime:

Doesn’t mean you can’t solve it that way, but it can be solved without it.

This is the type of question that I give the students when we employ peer-instruction technique.

Zz.
 
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