Smallest subfield of C that contains i

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The discussion revolves around determining the smallest subfield of the complex numbers $\mathbb{C}$ that contains the complex number $i$. Participants explore the properties of the field $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ and the requirements for it to be considered a subfield, including closure under operations and the existence of identities and inverses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the smallest subfield containing $i$ is $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ and suggests verifying its properties as a field.
  • Participants discuss the need to show that $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is closed under addition and multiplication, contains additive and multiplicative identities, and has inverses for all nonzero elements.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of stating that $a^2 + b^2 \neq 0$ when discussing multiplicative inverses to ensure they are well-defined.
  • There is a suggestion that any subfield must contain $\mathbb{Q}$, and participants explore the reasoning behind this requirement, including the necessity of containing the additive and multiplicative identities.
  • A detailed argument is presented to show that any subfield of $\mathbb{C}$ must contain all rational numbers, using properties of fields and closure under operations.

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Participants generally agree on the properties that need to be shown for $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ to be a field and that it is the smallest subfield containing $i$. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the inclusion of $\mathbb{Q}$ in any subfield.

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Some participants express the need for clarification on certain assumptions, particularly regarding the inclusion of rational numbers in subfields of $\mathbb{C}$, and the implications of closure properties in field theory.

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Hey! :o

I am looking at the following:
Determine the smallest subfield $\mathbb{K}$ of $\mathbb{C}$ that contains the complex number $i$.

The smallest subfield of $\mathbb{C}$ that contains the complex number $i$ is $\mathbb{K}=\mathbb{Q}(i)$, right?
Do we have to show that $\mathbb{Q}(i)=\{a+bi\mid a,b\in \mathbb{Q}\}$ is a field and then that it is the smallest subfield of $\mathbb{C}$ that contains $i$ ?

For the first part, we have to show that $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is closed under addition and multiplication, contains both additive and multiplicative identities, contains additive inverses, and contains multiplicative inverses for all nonzero elements, right?

  • $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is closed under addition :

    Let $x,y\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$, so $x=a_1+b_1i$ and $y=a_2+b_2i$. Then $x+y=(a_1+a_2)+(b_1+b_2)i\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$.
  • $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is closed under multiplication :

    Let $x,y\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$, so $x=a_1+b_1i$ and $y=a_2+b_2i$. Then $x\cdot y=a_1b_1+a_1b_2i+a_2b_1i-a_2b_2=(a_1b_1-a_2b_2)+(a_1b_2+a_2b_1)i\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$.
  • $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ contains additive identity :

    The additive identity is $0 = 0+0i$.
  • $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ contains multiplicative identity :

    The multiplicative identity is $1 = 1+0i$.
  • $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ contains additive inverses

    Let $x\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$, so $x=a+bi$. Then the additive inverse is $-x=-a-bi$.
  • $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ contains multiplicative inverses for all nonzero elements

    Let $x\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$, so $x=a+bi$. Then the multiplicative inverse is $\frac{1}{x}=\frac{1}{a+bi}=\frac{a-bi}{(a+bi)(a-bi)}=\frac{a-bi}{a^2+b^2}=\frac{a}{a^2+b^2}-\frac{b}{a^2+b^2}i\in \mathbb{Q}(i)$.

So, $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is a field. For the second part:
Any field $F$ that contains $\mathbb Q$ and $i$ also contains $qi$ with $q$ rational, since $F$ is closed under products and $q$ and $i$ belong to $F$. Since $F$ contains every rational $p$ and every number of the form $qi$ it contains also their sum $p+qi$.

This proves $Q(i)\subseteq F$, which means that $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is the smallest subfield of $\mathbb{C}$ that contains $i$. Is everything correct? Could I improve something? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
For the second part:
Any field $F$ that contains $\mathbb Q$ and $i$ also contains $qi$ with $q$ rational, since $F$ is closed under products and $q$ and $i$ belong to $F$. Since $F$ contains every rational $p$ and every number of the form $qi$ it contains also their sum $p+qi$.

This proves $Q(i)\subseteq F$, which means that $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ is the smallest subfield of $\mathbb{C}$ that contains $i$.

Is everything correct? Could I improve something? (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Smile)

The first part looks fine to me, although we may want to mention for the multiplicative inverse that $a^2+b^2\ne 0$ so that the inverse is well defined for all $x\in \mathbb Q(i) \setminus \{0\}$.

As for the second part, it seems we're already assuming that $\mathbb Q$ must be contained in the sub field.
It's true alright, but why? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
The first part looks fine to me, although we may want to mention for the multiplicative inverse that $a^2+b^2\ne 0$ so that the inverse is well defined for all $x\in \mathbb Q(i) \setminus \{0\}$.

Ah ok!

I like Serena said:
As for the second part, it seems we're already assuming that $\mathbb Q$ must be contained in the sub field.
It's true alright, but why? (Wondering)

So, we have to show that each subfield of the complex numbers contains every rational number, right?

Let $F$ be a subfield of $\mathbb{C}$.

Since $F$ is a field it must contain a distinguished element $\tilde{0}$, the additive identity. Since $F$ is a subfield of $\mathbb{C}$, we have that $F\subseteq \mathbb{C}$, so $\tilde{0}$ will be also the additive identity in $\mathbb{C}$. But this element is unique, therefore $\tilde{0} = 0$. Therefore $0 \in F$.

Since $F$ is a field it must contain a distinguished element $\tilde{1}$, the multiplicative identity. Since $F$ is a subfield of $\mathbb{C}$, we have that $F\subseteq \mathbb{C}$, so $\tilde{1}$ will be also the multiplicative identity in $\mathbb{C}$. But this element is unique, therefore $\tilde{1} = 1$. Therefore $1 \in F$.

Since $F$ is a field, it is closed under addition. We will show by induction that $\mathbb{N}\subseteq F$.
Base case: Since $1 \in F$ then we must have that $1 + 1 = 2 \in F$.
Inductive hypothesis: We suppose that $n\in F$.
Inductive step: Since $n\in F$ and $1\in F$ and since $F$ is closed under addition we get that $n+1\in F$.
So, we have that $n\in F$ for each $n\in \mathbb{N}$. This means that $\mathbb{N}\subseteq F$.

Since $F$ is a filed, it must contain all the additive inverses of all its elements. We have that $n\in \mathbb{N}\subseteq F$ so it must also $-n\in F$. So since $\mathbb{N} \subseteq F$ we must have $-\mathbb{N}=\mathbb{Z} \subseteq F$.

Since $F$ is a field, it must also contain all multiplicative inverses of its non-zero elements, therefore $\frac{1}{\mathbb{Z}}:=\left \{\frac{1}{n}\mid n\in \mathbb{Z}\right \}\subseteq F$.
Let $\frac{a}{b}$ be a rational number, with $a, b\in \mathbb{Z}$ and $b\neq 0$.
We have that $a\in \mathbb{Z}\subseteq F$ and $\frac{1}{b}\in \frac{1}{\mathbb{Z}}\subseteq F$.
Since $F$ is a field, it is closed under multiplication, we get that $\frac{a}{b}=a\cdot \frac{1}{b}\in F$.
Therefore, $F$ contains every rational number, i.e. $\mathbb{Q}\subseteq F$. Is everything correct? (Wondering)
 
Yep. (Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. (Nod)

Thank you! (Bow)
 

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