Soft photons and the ETH interpretation of QM

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the ETH interpretation of quantum mechanics (QM) as proposed by Jürg Fröhlich, particularly regarding the role of massless particles, specifically soft photons, in understanding quantum phenomena and addressing issues like infrared divergences and decoherence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the inclusion of massless particles, particularly soft photons, is crucial for a physical understanding of the ETH interpretation of QM.
  • It is suggested that summing over soft photons helps eliminate infrared divergences, with the differing states living in separate Hilbert spaces contributing to decoherence.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the use of asymptotic free states, which describe particles as "bare particles" surrounded by an electromagnetic field, and how soft-photon resummation addresses IR and collinear singularities.
  • A participant references Fröhlich's work as foundational to these discussions, indicating its relevance to the topic.
  • There is a request for clarification on how the premise regarding differing states leads to decoherence, indicating a need for further explanation of this connection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of soft photons and their role in decoherence, with some aspects remaining unresolved, particularly regarding the specific mechanisms of decoherence as related to the differing Hilbert spaces.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of soft photons and their interactions, as well as the implications of these interactions for decoherence, which are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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As the thread on Jürg Fröhlich's paper on the "ETH interpretation" of QM has been closed, I want to consider here a specific point.
Fröhlich points out that this interpretation requires the inclusion of massless particles and I think this is the key to getting a physical understanding.
Especially, to get rid of infrared divergences one has to sum over soft photons. But, as states in the sum differ by infinitely many soft photons, these states live in different Hilbert spaces and this constitutes a source of decoherence. The interaction with soft photons has always been one of the directions of research at the ETH. E.g. it was used to explain Hund's paradox, that we do not observe superpositions of molecules of different chirality. This was seen a prototypical example of how classical properties emerge in a quantum world.
 
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Alternatively you can also just use the right asymptotic free states, which in a specific sense describe particles as "bare particles" with its em. field around them. This (virtual) photon cloud is what is taken into consideration through the soft-photon resummation to get rid of IR and collinear singularities.
 
DrDu said:
But, as states in the sum differ by infinitely many soft photons, these states live in different Hilbert spaces and this constitutes a source of decoherence.
Can you be more specific about how ''this constitutes a source of decoherence'' follows from you premise?
 
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