Solar Energy and Green House Effect Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the additional heating of the Earth's surface due to the greenhouse effect, comparing the theoretical surface temperature of 255 K with the actual mean surface temperature of 288 K. Participants are exploring how to express this additional heating as a fraction of the energy absorbed from the Sun.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering whether to calculate the temperature difference directly or to convert it into energy in joules. There are discussions about using the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the implications of Earth's albedo and varying sunlight intensity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using the Stefan-Boltzmann equation to calculate the radiation from the Earth at different temperatures. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved, including factors like albedo and atmospheric conditions. However, no consensus has been reached on the necessity of certain equations or simplifications.

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Participants note the challenges posed by the Earth's varying distance from the Sun, atmospheric effects, and the simplifications that may be required for the calculations. There is an emphasis on the need for assumptions regarding constants and energy values.

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Homework Statement



Negelcting internal heat sources, the surface Temperature of the Earth is calculated to be 255 K. Its actual mean surface Temperature is 288 K. The additional heating results from the greenhouse effect. Regarding this as an internalk heat source, calculate that heat source as a fraction of the energy absorbed from the Sun.

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I am not sure what I am supposed to do exactly, do I just work out the differnect in Temperature and put it over the final temperature (ie \frac{33}{288}) or do I need to work out the energy in Joules using equations?

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That sounds right to me. The energy in joules would be very difficult to calculate and would be very large because the mass of the surface of the Earth would be huge.
 
I think you are supposed to work out how much extra the Earth radiates because it's at 288 K and not at 255K, and divide this by the energy that the Earth gets from the sun.

You can do everything in units of W/m^2.
The heat radiation from the Earth for each square meter is Ct^4. (C an unknown constant)
The intensity of sunlight is 1366 W/m^2 but you can't use that because the sun isn't always directly overhead and it isn't always daytime and there are clouds. You can use an unknown constant for the amount of sunlight received per m^2. (lets call this E)

you know that C(255^4) = E
 
Would this formula be of any use:

Amount of Radiation absorbed:

(1-A)*L_{sun}\frac{\pi r^2}{4\pi D^2}

Where A is the Albedo, r the radius of the Planet, D the distance from the planet to the Sun, L_{Sun} is the Sun's Luminoscity.

?

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Is the Equation in the post above required for this question?

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TFM said:
Is the Equation in the post above required for this question?

TFM

I don't think so. You can use the incoming energy of the sun as an unknown constant. there are some simplifications made here, because the albedo does depend on having an atmosphere, as does convection, evaporation etc. Then there's the day-night and seasonal cycles. There is years of work here.

But I think the only thing you need here is the formula for black body radiation.
 
Does this look right then?

I = \sigma T^4

where sigma is the Stefan Boltzmann Constant, 5.67*10^-8

I_{from sun} = 5.67*10^{-8) * 255^4 gives 240

I_{from greenhouse} = 5.67*10^{-8) * 288^4 gives 390

Would you then:

390-240 = 150

and thus make thge answer: 150/240?

TFM
 
I think that would be it
 

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