Solid, Liquid or Gas: Identifying Matter

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This discussion focuses on identifying the physical states of matter—solid, liquid, or gas—using examples such as ferrous iodide and sodium phosphate. Participants highlight that physical states can change due to temperature and pressure, and that the type of bonding in compounds (ionic, covalent, metallic) can indicate their state at standard temperature and pressure (STP). The concept of metastable states is also introduced, with examples like milk transitioning to powder over time, although this is clarified as evaporation rather than a phase transition.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of chemical bonding types: ionic, covalent, and metallic.
  • Familiarity with phase diagrams and their significance in chemistry.
  • Knowledge of standard temperature and pressure (STP) conditions.
  • Concept of metastable states in physical chemistry.
NEXT STEPS
  • Research phase diagrams for various compounds to understand phase transitions.
  • Study the properties of ionic and covalent compounds to predict their physical states.
  • Explore the concept of metastable states and their implications in chemical reactions.
  • Investigate real-world examples of phase transitions in everyday materials.
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Chemistry students, educators, and professionals interested in the physical properties of matter and phase transitions.

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How do you know if something is a solid, liquid or gas. Like ferrous iodide or sodium phosphate?
 
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As far as I know, there is no way to tell just by looking at the chemical formula.

- Warren
 
Physical state may change upon temperature, pressure and even time...
 
chem_tr said:
Physical state may change upon temperature, pressure and even time...

Could you please give an example of a phase trasition of the first kind in which,assuming a system in one phase (e.g.solid) and nonmodifying the external conditions (temperature,pressure and other parameters),the system would undergo a phase transition (into e.g.fluid)??

Daniel.
 
Well,...you can sort of guess as to which "state" a compound is by looking at what bonds it together;

For example, MgBr2 is probably a solid because of the ionic bonds;
Li2 is a solid by metallic bonds
O2 is a gas, because its covalent bond is very weak
CH3COH may be liquid, because of the dipole-dipole intermolecular attraction with that OH end there

Network compounds are usually solid, as they possesses very strong covalent bonding, so are ionic compounds, because ionic bonds are strong as well

H2 is a gas, because it has almost no intermolecular force between the H2 molecules

Well, given the formula, you can generally "sorta" guess as to what its state would be at STP--to verify this and to check for other temperatures/pressure, see a phase diagram for your compound
 
dextercioby said:
Could you please give an example of a phase trasition of the first kind in which,assuming a system in one phase (e.g.solid) and nonmodifying the external conditions (temperature,pressure and other parameters),the system would undergo a phase transition (into e.g.fluid)??

Daniel.
I think chem_tr may be referring to non-equilibrium (metastable) states.
 
It's the only reasonable explanation...

Daniel.
 
Yes, I meant metastable states; Gokul is right.
 
dextercioby said:
Could you please give an example of a phase trasition of the first kind in which,assuming a system in one phase (e.g.solid) and nonmodifying the external conditions (temperature,pressure and other parameters),the system would undergo a phase transition (into e.g.fluid)??

Daniel.

Milk. Milk turns into powder over time.

Although, I'm not sure, as technically milk is composed of a lot of elements, you may be looking for a compound or singular element, not just a mixture.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
I think chem_tr may be referring to non-equilibrium (metastable) states.

'Metastable' can be a bit misleading though. Diamonds are pretty stable at STP.
 
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HungryFox said:
Milk. Milk turns into powder over time.

That's evaporation, not a phrase transition.
 
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That's necromancy, last post in the thread was almost 5 years old.
 

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