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since a soliton is a localized wave packet then i can find the position of the soliton and its momentum so apparently i have violated uncertainty.

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since a soliton is a localized wave packet then i can find the position of the soliton and its momentum so apparently i have violated uncertainty.

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A wave packet certainly does not violate the HUP, and non-dispersive wave packets certainly do not either.

Also, the Schrodinger equation is linear (otherwise superposition principle would not work), what's the nonlinear Schrodinger equation?

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There are a family of equations called NSE, one of the most common is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross-Pitaevskii_equation" [Broken]. The unknown function in these equations is not a single particle wave function but rather a quantum field, so things like superposition, probability interpretation, uncertainty principle, etc must be abandoned or modified for this case.what's the nonlinear Schrodinger equation?

To OP's question is just as false for solitons as it is for ordinary quantum wave packets, so my advice to the OP would be to further study single particle QM.

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the position and velocity of one particle, this violates the uncertainty principle.

Because we can determine the position and momentum of the particle at the same time.

And the wave packet is spreading in all space as the particle is moving around and rebounds from the wall.

So the wave packet does not mean a particle.

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There are a family of equations called NSE, one of the most common is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross-Pitaevskii_equation" [Broken]. The unknown function in these equations is not a single particle wave function but rather a quantum field, so things like superposition, probability interpretation, uncertainty principle, etc must be abandoned or modified for this case.

To OP's question is just as false for solitons as it is for ordinary quantum wave packets, so my advice to the OP would be to further study single particle QM.

That is, i have to present a paper about it in my Master , the question is what are these Nonlinear Schroedinguer equation used for ?? could someone give me an example

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I just wanted to mention the Schroedinger's coherent states: they represent wave packets of a constant shape; thay are similar to solitons but are

since a soliton is a localized wave packet then i can find the position of the soliton and its momentum so apparently i have violated uncertainty.

A certain average position

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The Gross-Pitaevski equation is used to describe weakly interacting bosons in an external potential. It can be used to describe bose condensates.That is, i have to present a paper about it in my Master , the question is what are these Nonlinear Schroedinguer equation used for ?? could someone give me an example

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