Solution of the classical Klein-Gordon equation

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The discussion centers on the classical Klein-Gordon equation, its solutions, and implications regarding energy states and antiparticles. Participants explore the mathematical formulation, the interpretation of solutions, and the physical significance of negative energy states within the context of quantum field theory.

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  • One participant presents the classical Klein-Gordon equation and attempts to derive its solution using Fourier transforms, expressing uncertainty in the next steps after substituting into the equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the second derivative operator includes both spatial and temporal components, suggesting a specific metric convention.
  • A different participant provides a detailed formulation of the equation and suggests a method to solve it, leading to a discussion about the nature of the energy term, ##E_{\vec{p}}##.
  • Questions arise regarding the constraint of energy being positive, with some participants arguing that negative energy solutions exist and should be considered.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the energy spectrum of the Klein-Gordon equation, particularly regarding stability and the interpretation of negative-frequency solutions in quantum field theory.
  • Participants debate whether the Klein-Gordon theory for a single real scalar field admits antiparticles, with differing views on the interpretation of negative frequency solutions.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the normalization of operators and the implications for real scalar fields, with some participants asserting that negative energy solutions can still be interpreted positively through specific operator formulations.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of negative energy solutions and the existence of antiparticles in the context of the Klein-Gordon equation. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the dependence on specific metric choices and normalization conditions, which may affect interpretations and conclusions drawn from the equations. The discussion also reflects the complexity of transitioning from classical to quantum field theoretical frameworks.

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The classical Klein-Gordon equation is ##(\partial^{2}+m^{2})\varphi(t,\vec{x})=0##.

To solve this equation, we need to Fourier transform ##\varphi(t,\vec{x})## with respect to its space coordinates to obtain

##\varphi(t,\vec{x}) = \int \frac{d^{3}\vec{k}}{(2\pi)^{3}}e^{i\vec{k}\cdot{\vec{x}}}\tilde{\varphi}(t,\vec{k})##.

Plugging ##\varphi(t,\vec{x})## into Klein-Gordon equation is supposed to give us the solution

##\tilde{\phi}(t,\vec{k})=A(\vec{k})e^{-iE_{\vec{k}}t}+B(\vec{k})e^{iE_{\vec{k}}t}##.

I am stuck in getting the solution. If I plug the Fourier transform of ##\varphi(t,\vec{x})## into the Klein-Gordon equation, I get ##(-\vec{k}^{2}+m^{2})\tilde{\phi}(t,\vec{k})=0##. I'm not sure how to proceed from there onwards. Can you help you me out?
 
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Your ##\partial^2## is not just the three dimensional Laplacian; it also contains a second-order derivative in time (with an appropriate sign depending on your choice of metric).
 
Obviously, here it's the west-coast metric, i.e., ##(\eta_{\mu \nu})=\mathrm{diag}(+1,-1,-1,-1)##. Your symbol is quite uncommon usually one writes
$$\Box=\partial_{\mu} \partial^{\mu}=\partial_t^2-\partial_x^2-\partial_y^2-\partial_z^2.$$
The free Klein Gordon equation then reads
$$(\Box+m^2)\varphi=0.$$
Now plug in your Fourier ansatz
$$(\Box+m^2) \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{p} \frac{1}{(2 \pi)^3} \tilde{\varphi}(t,\vec{p}) \exp(\mathrm{i} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{x}).$$
Then you get
$$(\partial_t^2 + E_{\vec{p}}^2) \tilde{\varphi}(t,\vec{p})=0, \quad E_{\vec{p}}=\sqrt{m^2+\vec{p}^2},$$
which is easy to solve.
 
Why is the energy ##E_{\vec{p}}## constrained to take on positive values only?

In other words, why isn't the Klein-Gordon defined for ##E_{\vec{p}}=-\sqrt{m^2+\vec{p}^2}##?
 
Sure it is, and you have to write down the complete solution!
 
Well,

##(\partial_t^2 + E_{\vec{p}}^2) \tilde{\varphi}(t,\vec{p})=0, \quad E_{\vec{p}}=\sqrt{m^2+\vec{p}^2},##

is the equation for simple harmonic equation. Therefore, it has the solution

##\tilde{\varphi}(t,\vec{p}) = A(\vec{p}) \exp{(-iE_{\vec{p}}t)} + B(\vec{p}) \exp{(iE_{\vec{p}}t)}##,

where ##A(\vec{p})## and ##B(\vec{p})## are arbitrary constants of integration.

But, isn't this solution only valid for ##E_{\vec{p}}=\sqrt{m^2+\vec{p}^2}##?
 
No, why should it be? Of course, you are on the right track. It's one of the points that show that a wave-function interpretation in the same sense as for the non-relativistic Schrödinger equation is troublesome and that's why one switches to quantum field theory.

The trouble is that the energy spectrum of the free Klein-Gordon equation would lead to the conclusion that energy is not bounded from below and thus that there's not a stable ground state. This problem occurs with any relativistic single-particle wave equation, and thus one switches to QFT, where the negative-frequency solutions are reinterpreted as positive-energy solutions for anti-particles, making ##A(\vec{p})## and ##B(\vec{p})## to annihilation and creation operators in the mode decomposition of the field operator:
$$A(\vec{p}) \rightarrow \hat{a}(\vec{p}), \quad B(\vec{p}) \rightarrow \hat{b}^{\dagger}(-\vec{p}).$$
This is the formal version of the socalled "Feynman Stückelberg trick", which clearly shows that it has nothing to do with something running "backwards in time" as is often written in popular-science books!
 
Does the Klein-Gordon theory for a single real scalar field admit the existence of antiparticles? From what I've learnt, antiparticles arise only in the Klein-Gordon theory for two real scalar fields (or a complex scalar field).
 
If the original field is real, you have neutral particles and ##\hat{b}=\hat{a}##.
 
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So, if the field is real, you can't really interpret the negative frequency solutions as positive energy solutions for antiparticles, can you?

Does that mean that there no negative energy solutions for a real scalar field?
 
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No, but the Feynman-Stückelberg trick still works. Since you write a creation operator instead of a annihilation operator in front of the negative-frequency modes, which lead to an interpretation of the negative-frequency mode as a contribution to the field with positive energy,
$$\hat{\phi}(t,\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{p}}{\sqrt{(2 \pi)^3 2 E_{\vec{p}}}} [\hat{a}(\vec{p}) \exp(-\mathrm{i} p \cdot x)+\hat{a}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}) \exp(+\mathrm{i} p \cdot x)]|_{p^0=+E_{\vec{p}}}.$$
The here chosen normalization condition leads to the most simple commutation relations for the annihilation and creation operators
$$[\hat{a}(\vec{p}),\hat{a}(\vec{p}')]=0, \quad [\hat{a}(\vec{p}),\hat{a}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}')]=\delta^{(3)}(\vec{p}-\vec{p}').$$
 

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