Solution to Quartic Equation with small first coefficient

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The discussion centers around solving a depressed quartic equation of the form ax^4 + bx^2 + cx + d = 0, particularly under the condition that |a| is much smaller than |b|, |c|, and |d|. Participants explore methods for approximating solutions, including expanding around the solutions of the corresponding quadratic equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes solving the quadratic equation bx^2 + cx + d = 0 to find initial solutions, then substituting these into the quartic equation to derive further approximations.
  • Another participant notes that small values of a may lead to large solutions that the proposed method does not capture, suggesting that the solutions are close to those for a=0.
  • A later reply indicates that the quartic solution x could be proportional to 1/a^(1/4), implying that the solutions may not remain "small" as initially assumed.
  • One participant specifies interest in cases where a>0, b>0, c is real, and d<0, suggesting that Descartes' rule of signs indicates two real solutions, and that the quartic solutions appear to converge to the quadratic solutions in this scenario.
  • Another participant argues that with the specified conditions, the two "large" solutions are actually imaginary, as they fall within a region where bx^2 + cx + d is positive.
  • One participant suggests using Newton's method with an initial guess from the quadratic solutions, claiming it is easy to set up and should converge rapidly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the proposed approximation method, with some highlighting potential issues with capturing all solutions. There is no consensus on whether the proposed approach reliably leads to better approximations of the quartic solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the behavior of solutions may depend on the relative sizes of the coefficients and the specific conditions of the equation, indicating that assumptions about the coefficients could significantly impact the results.

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Readers interested in mathematical methods for solving polynomial equations, particularly quartic equations, may find the discussion relevant, especially those exploring approximation techniques and the implications of coefficient sizes on solution behavior.

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I want to solve a depressed quartic:

ax^4 + bx^2 + cx + d = 0

Assume |a|\ll |b|,|c|,|d|.

I would like to find the solutions by expanding around the solution to the quadratic. If you try to solve in, say, Maple, and expand around a in a series you get something that blows up. That seems silly to me, why would the solution blow up as a\rightarrow 0. Only because the solution method assumed a was not zero. Clearly, if you plotted it on the complex plane, the quartic solutions must approach the quadratic. Anyway, so my idea was to solve the quadratic equation

bx^2+cx+d=0 to get

x_0 = \frac{-c\pm\sqrt{c^2-4bd}}{2b}

Then insert x_0 into the quartic part like so,

ax_0^4 + bx^2+cx+d = 0

Then solve this quadratic to get,

x_1 = \frac{-c\pm\sqrt{c^2-4b(d+ax_0^4)}}{2b}.

Does anyone see a problem with this approach (assuming I just want some sort of approximation)?

Secondly, this question just occurred to me: I see this generates 4 solutions, but will all solutions be closer to the exact solutions than the initial quadratic solutions are?
 
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Small a will lead to two large solutions, which you do not catch with that approach. The solutions you can get are close to the solutions for a=0. If a is small enough and the other coefficients are not special in some way, I would expect that the last recursion relation converges.
 
mfb said:
Small a will lead to two large solutions, which you do not catch with that approach. The solutions you can get are close to the solutions for a=0. If a is small enough and the other coefficients are not special in some way, I would expect that the last recursion relation converges.

Yes, I just thought of that too. The quartic solution x would be proportional to 1/a^(1/4) unfortunately, so that term would not be "small" after all.
 
Take this special case though: I'm only interested in the cases where a>0, b>0, c real, and d< 0. There should be (by Descartes rule of signs) two real solutions. When I plot the graph, the solutions of the quartic appear to converge to the quadratic solutions. So it appears that my recursion would be valid in that case. [No proof yet though.]
 
With a>0, b>0, d<0 and c not too large, the two "large" solutions are imaginary, as they lie in the region where bx^2+cx+d is positive.
 
Why not just use Newton's method with x0 as an initial guess? This is easy to set up, and should converge rapidly.
 

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