Solutions effect of dilution will not take place?

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The discussion revolves around a multiple-choice question regarding the effect of dilution on various acid-base solutions. Participants explore how mixing these solutions impacts their pH and whether dilution affects the resulting pH values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that options B and D are correct because the solutions will be neutralized, implying no effect on dilution.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the question, asking what is meant by "dilution" and its effect on the pH of the solution.
  • A different participant clarifies that the dilution refers to the solution obtained after mixing the liquids and its effect on pH.
  • Concerns are raised about the comparison of mixed acid and base solutions, with one participant stating that the final pH will differ from the original solutions.
  • Another participant provides calculated pH values for each solution after mixing and diluting, noting that only solution D maintains a constant pH after dilution.
  • Some participants argue about the correctness of the provided answers, suggesting that A, C, and D should be considered correct, while others maintain that A and D are the only correct options.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct answers to the multiple-choice question. There is no consensus on which options are correct, and multiple competing views remain about the effects of dilution on the pH of the solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of considering ionic strengths in pH calculations, indicating that the results may vary based on assumptions made during the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Multiple Choice-

In which of the following solutions effect of dilution will not take place??

(A) 100 ml 0.1 M CH3COOH with 50 ml 0.1 M NaOH

(B) 100 ml 0.1 M CH3COOH with 100 ml 0.1 M NaOH

(C) 100 ml 0.1 M CH3COOH with 50 ml 0.1 M NH4OH

(D) 100 ml 0.1 M CH3COOH with 100 ml 0.1 M NH4OH


The Attempt at a Solution



I think the answer is B and D because the solutions will be neutralised and there won't be any effect on dilution.

But the answer given is A and D.

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No idea what the question asks. Dilution of what? Effect on what?
 


Dilution of the solution which is obtained after mixing the liquids in given options.
Effect on pH of the solution.
 


Question still doesn't make sense to me. If you mix solution of acid with solution of base, final pH will be always different from pH of original solutions.

So far question asks to compare apples and oranges.
 


Look- after mixing the two solutions, let the pH of the resulting solution be x
Now on adding water, will the pH be x or different?

I hope you understood.
 


OK, got it. Not necessarily the best wording, I was all the time thinking about dilution that takes place when solutions are mixed.

Not only wording is poor, also answer is incorrect. Usually I would help you to solve the question on your own, but I have no idea what the expected answer is.

The only solution that has constant pH is the last one - that is, ammonium acetate.

Solution A: pH after mixed 4.67, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 4.69
Solution B: pH after mixed 8.63, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 8.56
Solution C: pH after mixed 4.67, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 4.69
Solution D: pH after mixed 7.00, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 7.00

You may have troubles getting these numbers, as they take ionic strengths into account (I have calculated them using this pH calculator). When ionic strengths are ignored calculated pH values are:

Solution A: pH after mixed 4.76, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 4.76
Solution B: pH after mixed 8.71, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 8.63
Solution C: pH after mixed 4.76, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 4.76
Solution D: pH after mixed 7.00, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 7.00

A & C are buffers, so their pH is more or less constant. Solution B is a solution of salt of a weak acid, which is equivalent to solution of a weak base, its pH is obviously dependent on the concentration. Solution D is a funny case of solution of a salt of a weak acid and a weak base - funny, as they are both weak in exactly the same degree, so effects of their hydrolysis cancel out.
 


Solution D: pH after mixed 7.00, after diluted with 100 mL of water - 7.00

Even after mixing water, the pH is constant right? then why D is not a correct option?
 


D is correct, but if you have to select correct ones, A & D are not all that are correct - A, C & D are. Hence A & D is not the correct answer.

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Thanks Mr.PH!
 

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