Solutions of of the time-independent Schrodinger eq.

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The discussion revolves around the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE) in quantum mechanics, specifically examining the properties of solutions with the same energy. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that the sum of two solutions and a scalar multiple of a solution are also solutions of the TISE.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of linearity in the TISE, questioning how to demonstrate that the sum of solutions remains a solution. There are discussions about the necessity of finding explicit forms for the solutions and the role of scalar multiplication.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the linear nature of the TISE, suggesting that the problem is more about verifying properties rather than deriving new solutions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to articulate the proof clearly, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the necessity of certain steps.

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Participants note that they are relatively new to quantum mechanics, which may influence their confidence in tackling the problem. There is also mention of the need to adhere to homework guidelines, which may limit the types of resources or references they can use.

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Homework Statement



Supposed that [tex]\psi[/tex]1 and [tex]\psi[/tex]2 are two different solutions of the TISE with the same energy E.

a) show that [tex]\psi[/tex]1 + [tex]\psi[/tex]2 is also a solution with energy E.
b) show that c*[tex]\psi[/tex]1 is also a solution with energy E.

Homework Equations



TISE: (-[tex]\hbar[/tex]/2m)*[tex]\nabla[/tex]^2*[tex]\psi[/tex](r) +V(r)*[tex]\psi[/tex](r) = E*[tex]\psi[/tex](r)

The Attempt at a Solution



My first thought was to solve by substitution but since it doesn't give us the 2 solutions as a function I can't do that. Should I just find 2 different solutions and plug them into the TISE to see if they satisfy? I feel I am missing a rule or a postulate to solve this with.

P.S. I am very new to QM, be gentle
 
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xago said:

Homework Statement



Supposed that [tex]\psi[/tex]1 and [tex]\psi[/tex]2 are two different solutions of the TISE with the same energy E.

a) show that [tex]\psi[/tex]1 + [tex]\psi[/tex]2 is also a solution with energy E.
b) show that c*[tex]\psi[/tex]1 is also a solution with energy E.

Homework Equations



TISE: (-[tex]\hbar[/tex]/2m)*[tex]\nabla[/tex]^2*[tex]\psi[/tex](r) +V(r)*[tex]\psi[/tex](r) = E*[tex]\psi[/tex](r)

The Attempt at a Solution



My first thought was to solve by substitution but since it doesn't give us the 2 solutions as a function I can't do that. Should I just find 2 different solutions and plug them into the TISE to see if they satisfy? I feel I am missing a rule or a postulate to solve this with.

P.S. I am very new to QM, be gentle

If [tex]\psi_1[/tex] is a solution of the TISE with energy E, what must

[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r)[/tex]

equal? You don't need to know the functional form of [tex]\psi_1(r)[/tex] to answer this.
 
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r)[/tex] = E*[tex]\psi[/tex]1

I don't see what this proves though, isn't the equation just re-arranged?
 
xago said:
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r)[/tex] = E*[tex]\psi[/tex]1

I don't see what this proves though, isn't the equation just re-arranged?

Well it's reiterating what information you're given. The problem wants you to compute

[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) (\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r))[/tex]

and

[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) ( c \psi_1(r)).[/tex]
 
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r) = E\psi_1(r)[/tex]
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_2(r) = E\psi_2(r)[/tex]

therefore [tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) (\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)) = E(\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)) ?[/tex]

It just doesn't feel like I'm proving anything.

Edit*Perhaps I just have to show that E[f(x)] is a linear operator? (where f(x) would be [tex]\psi[/tex])
 
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xago said:
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r) = E\psi_1(r)[/tex]
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_2(r) = E\psi_2(r)[/tex]

therefore [tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) (\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)) = E(\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)) ?[/tex]

It just doesn't feel like I'm proving anything.

It's not a really deep problem. You're just verifying that the wave equation is linear.

Edit*Perhaps I just have to show that E[f(x)] is a linear operator? (where f(x) would be [tex]\psi[/tex])

E is a scalar, I don't think you'd be expected to prove that multiplication by a scalar is a linear operation.
 
xago said:
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r) = E\psi_1(r)[/tex]
[tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_2(r) = E\psi_2(r)[/tex]

therefore [tex]\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) (\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)) = E(\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)) ?[/tex]

It just doesn't feel like I'm proving anything.
You're supposed to show how what's after "therefore" follows from the first two lines.
 
[tex] \left[\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_1(r) = E\psi_1(r)\right]+[/tex] [tex] \left[\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \psi_2(r) = E\psi_2(r)\right][/tex]
[tex] \left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \left(\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)\right) = E\psi_1(r) + E\psi_2(r)[/tex]
Since they both have the same E, it can be factored out:
[tex] =\left(-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right) \left(\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)\right) = E\left(\psi_1(r) + \psi_2(r)\right)[/tex]

??
 
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It's clear you understand conceptually what's going on, but you want to write it down in a clear, organized way. A lot of students have trouble writing down a proof because it seems so obvious.

To show [itex]\psi_1(\vec{r})+\psi_2(\vec{r})[/itex] is a solution means to show that

[tex]\left[-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(\vec{r}) \right] \left(\psi_1(\vec{r})+\psi_2(\vec{r})\right) = E(\psi_1(\vec{r})+\psi_2(\vec{r}))[/tex]

For problems like this, it's good to start with one side of the equation, apply concepts one at a time, and show what you get after each step until you end up at the other side of the equation.

[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> \left[-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right] \left(\psi_1(r)+\psi_2(r)\right) &= \cdots \\<br /> & = \cdots \\<br /> && \vdots \\<br /> &= E(\psi_1(\vec{r})+\psi_2(\vec{r}))<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

In the first step, you'd use the linearity of

[tex]\left[-\frac{\hbar}{2m}\nabla^2 + V(r) \right][/tex]

In the next step, you'd use the fact that [itex]\psi_1[/itex] and [itex]\psi_2[/itex] are solutions with energy E, and so on.
 
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I understand now, thanks for your help!
 

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