Finding Stationary Wavefunction with a Line Potential

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The problem involves finding the stationary wavefunction for a particle in a one-dimensional potential step, where the potential is defined as V(x) = V0 for x > 0 and V(x) = 0 for x ≤ 0. The focus is on energies within the range 0 < E < V0, and the discussion revolves around the time-independent Schrödinger equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the form of the wavefunction in both regions of the potential and the implications of the boundary conditions. There is uncertainty regarding the selection of coefficients and the continuity of the wavefunction and its derivative at the boundary x = 0. Some participants express confusion about the conditions needed to solve for the coefficients in the wavefunction.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the boundary conditions and the implications of the potential step on the wavefunction. Some guidance has been provided regarding the continuity of the wavefunction and its derivative, but no consensus has been reached on the exact values of the coefficients or the overall behavior of the wavefunction as x approaches infinity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there are multiple integration constants involved and that the problem does not yield normalizable solutions under the given conditions. The discussion highlights the need for additional conditions to fully determine the wavefunction coefficients.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m in one dimension has a potential:
$$V(x) =
\begin{cases}
V_0 & x > 0 \\
0 & x \leq 0
\end{cases}
$$

Find ##\psi(x)## for energies ##0 < E < V_0##, with parameters
$$k^2 = \frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}$$
and
$$\kappa^2 = \frac{2m(V_0 - E)}{\hbar^2}$$

Use coefficients such that ##\psi(0) = -\frac{k}{\kappa}##

Homework Equations


The time-independent Schrödinger equation:
$$\hat H \psi(x) = E \psi(x)$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I started with the potential being 0, which gave.
$$\psi''(x) = -k^2\psi(x)$$
This would give solutions in the form
$$\psi(x \leq 0) = Asin(kx) + Bcos(kx)$$
For the potential ##V_0##, I got
$$\psi''(x) = -\kappa^2\psi(x)$$
Similarly, $$\psi(x > 0) = Asin(\kappa x) + Bcos(\kappa x)$$

I was not sure how to choose coefficients.
I was thinking that for ##x \leq 0##, I could find ##B = -\frac{k}{\kappa}##. Though I could not figure out what to do for A, and for ##x > 0##.

Thank you in advance
 
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With ##0<E<V_0##, one of your ##k^2## is < 0, the other > 0. How do you solve the Schroedinger equation for each half of hte axis, exactly ?
 
BvU said:
With ##0<E<V_0##, one of your ##k^2## is < 0, the other > 0. How do you solve the Schroedinger equation for each half of hte axis, exactly ?
Both ##k^2## and ##\kappa^2## should be greater than 0. ##k^2 = 2mE/hbar^2## and ##\kappa^2 = 2m(V_0-E)/hbar^2## E is greater than 0, and ##V_0 - E > 0##. To solve the wavefunction, I used the potential for each half. For one half, I just substituted 0. For the other, I substituted ##V_0##. These gave me a solution in the form of a superposition of waves. I have one boundary condition to find one of the coefficients, the coefficient of the cosine should be ##-k/\kappa## for both x > 0 and x <= 0. My issue was finding the coefficient for the sine. There should be some boundary condition using ##\psi'(x)##, but this was not given, and I did not know how to go about finding it.
 
Show how you solve the Schoedinger equation for ##x>0##. In detail, in particular wrt the signs.

##\psi'## should be continuous.
 
BvU said:
Show how you solve the Schoedinger equation for ##x>0##. In detail, in particular wrt the signs.

##\psi'## should be continuous.
I used ##\hat H \psi = E \psi##. Using ##V(x) = V_0##:
$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\psi''(x) + V_0 \psi(x) = E\psi(x)$$
$$\psi''(x) -\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}V_0\psi(x) = -\frac{2m}{\hbar^2} E\psi(x)$$
$$\psi''(x) = \frac{2m}{\hbar^2}V_0\psi(x)-\frac{2m}{\hbar^2} E\psi(x) = \frac{2m}{\hbar^2} (V_0 - E)\psi(x)$$
Assuming a solution in the form ##\psi(x) = e^{\lambda x}## gives ##\lambda = \pm \kappa##.
I see where I went wrong with my initial solution; however, this still gives a superposition of the two functions:
$$\psi(x > 0) = Ae^{\kappa x}+ Be^{-\kappa x}$$.
The initial condition would give that ##A+B = -\frac{k}{\kappa}##. Another condition is needed to solve for A and B.
 
doggydan42 said:
this still gives a superposition of the two functions
Almost correct... : a combination of two functions in different domains
doggydan42 said:
The initial condition
There are no initial conditions, only boundary conditions: ##\psi## and ##\psi'## have to be continuous at ##x=0##.

How many integration constants do you actually have ? Any further conditions ?
 
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BvU said:
Almost correct... : a combination of two functions in different domains
There are no initial conditions, only boundary conditions: ##\psi## and ##\psi'## have to be continuous at ##x=0##.

How many integration constants do you actually have ? Any further conditions ?
The conditions given are that ##\psi(0) = -\frac{k}{\kappa}## and that it is not normalizable. Since V(x) has a discontinuity but not a delta-function, ##\psi'## and ##\psi## are continuous, as you have stated.

Using the first condition:
For ##x \leq 0##,
$$\psi(0) = Asin(0) + Bcos(0) = B = -\frac{k}{\kappa}$$
For ##x > 0##,
$$\psi(0) = A'e^0 + B' e^0 = A' + B' = -\frac{k}{\kappa}$$, where A' and B' are the coefficients for ##x > 0## to be distinct from ##x \leq 0##.
Since ##\psi'## is continuous, ##\psi'(0)## is the same for ##x \leq 0## and ##x > 0##.
So,
For ##x \leq 0##,
$$\psi'(0) = Akcos(0)-Bksin(0) = Ak$$
For ##x > 0##,
$$\psi'(0) = A'\kappa-B'\kappa$$

I need one more equation, since there are 4 variables. I have 3 equations for these four variables:
$$ Ak = A'\kappa-B'\kappa$$
$$B = -\frac{k}{\kappa}$$
$$A' + B' = -\frac{k}{\kappa}$$
 
Good you put quotes behind two of the constants. I can deduce you have four integration constants. Two conditions pus a forced value for ##\psi(0)## leaves one opening. What about the behaviour of ##\psi## for ##x\rightarrow \pm\infty ## ?

We come to the conclusion there are no normalizable steady state solutions (hence the ##\psi(0)## condition).

neveretheless the case is of substantial interest; cf a free particle: ##\psi(x)## can not be normalized there either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_of_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation_for_a_step_potential
 
BvU said:
Good you put quotes behind two of the constants. I can deduce you have four integration constants. Two conditions pus a forced value for ##\psi(0)## leaves one opening. What about the behaviour of ##\psi## for ##x\rightarrow \pm\infty ## ?

We come to the conclusion there are no normalizable steady state solutions (hence the ##\psi(0)## condition).

neveretheless the case is of substantial interest; cf a free particle: ##\psi(x)## can not be normalized there either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_of_Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation_for_a_step_potential
Should the behavior of ##\psi## for ##x \rightarrow \infty## be 0?

If so, then 0 = B', since for ##x \rightarrow \infty##, ##e^{\kappa x} \rightarrow \infty## and ##e^{-\kappa x} \rightarrow 0##.
Using A' = 0, ##B' = \frac{-k}{\kappa}##, and ##Ak = -\frac{-k}{\kappa}\kappa = k##, so ##A = 1##.
Overall:
$$A = 1, B = -\frac{k}{\kappa}, A' = 0, B' = \frac{-k}{\kappa}$$
 
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doggydan42 said:
Should the behavior of ##\psi## for ##x \rightarrow \infty## be 0?
yes, it should go to zero fast enough to make it quadratically integrable.
[edit: but see #8]

Others use a C instead of a B' (look at his case II, p 20 ff)
 
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