Switching observers in a quantum measurement

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The discussion revolves around quantum measurement and the implications of switching observers. Participants are examining the state of a quantum system after successive measurements and the interpretation of eigenstates in relation to measurement outcomes.

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  • Participants explore the implications of measurement on the state of the system, questioning whether the state remains the same or becomes a superposition after subsequent measurements. There is also an inquiry into how coefficients relate to probabilities of eigenvalues.

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The conversation has progressed with some participants affirming initial thoughts while others challenge assumptions about the state of the system post-measurement. Guidance has been offered regarding the need for a case-by-case analysis to determine probabilities, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is an ongoing examination of the postulates of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the state of a system after measurement and the interpretation of eigenstates. Participants are navigating the complexities of measurement outcomes and their implications for the system's state.

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(c is a constant)

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-In the first measure we got a1, so the state of the system would be psi1.
-In the second measure, there's no information about what eigenvalue we got. Would the state of the system still be psi1? Psi1 is written in terms of B eigenvectors, and as we don't know which one we measured, the state should be described as a superposition of both vectors, which is precisely psi1. Is that correct?
-In the third measure, i wrote the "betas" in terms of the "psis", so i have something like:
(A and B being constants, not the observables)
psi1 = A beta1 + B beta2 = C psi1 + D psi2 + E psi 1 + F psi2 = G psi1 + H psi 2

Is it H the coefficient that tells me the probabilities of getting the a2 eigenvalue, or did I do something wrong?
 

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Keru said:
-In the first measure we got a1, so the state of the system would be psi1.
Correct.
Keru said:
-In the second measure, there's no information about what eigenvalue we got. Would the state of the system still be psi1? Psi1 is written in terms of B eigenvectors, and as we don't know which one we measured, the state should be described as a superposition of both vectors, which is precisely psi1. Is that correct?
No. I bolded the part which is wrong. It contradicts the postulate that after a measurement, the system is in an eigenstate of the corresponding observable.

If you perform a measurement and don't have information about the outcome, you can't use a single state vector to describe the situation after the measurement. You need to do a case-by-case analysis in order to calculate the probabilities.
 
Ok I think i got it. So, for one of the two possible cases it would continue like this?

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Yes. I haven't checked the calculations but conceptually, it is correct now.
 
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