Solutions of the Schrodinger equation for hydrogen

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around verifying the radial wave function R_{31} for an electron in a hydrogen atom against the radial equation. The participants are exploring the mathematical properties and implications of the radial equation in quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss substituting the radial wave function into the radial equation and express uncertainty about the simplification process. There are questions regarding the treatment of potential V and energy E in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using known equations and constants, while others are attempting to verify their calculations and explore the implications of their substitutions. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the relationships between variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to handle constants and the Coulomb potential, as well as the specific energy levels associated with the hydrogen atom. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations, particularly in derivatives.

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Homework Statement


Consider an electron in the hydrogen atom with radial wave function [tex]R_{31}[/tex] (n=3, l=1). Please verify that this radial function verifies the radial equation.

Homework Equations


The radial equation

[tex]\frac{1}{r^{2}}[/tex][tex]\frac{d}{dr}[/tex][tex]\left(r^{2}\frac{dR}{dr}\right)[/tex] + [tex]\frac{2\mu}{h^{2}}[/tex][tex]\left[E-V-\frac{h^{2}}{2\mu}\frac{l\left(l+1\right)}{r^{2}}\right][/tex]R = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok so I found the corresponding solution for the given radial wave funtion, and I think I'm supposed to set that equal to A, some constant, times [tex]e^{\frac{-r}{3a_{0}}}[/tex]
and then plug that into the original radial wave function? I'm not really sure of what I'm supposed to do here.
 
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Oh and those h's are supposed to be h bars. I don't know how to do that in latex.
 
Just use the equation for [itex]R_{31}[/itex] that is in your text/notes, and substitute it into the Differential equation...

P.S. To write [itex]\hbar[/itex] in [itex]\LaTeX[/itex], just use \hbar
 
You mean like an equation like this?

[tex]\frac{1}{a_{0}^{3/2}}\frac{4}{81\sqrt{6}}\left(6-\frac{r}{a_{0}}\right)\frac{r}{a_{0}}e^{-r/3a_{0}}[/tex]

I tried using that and plugging it into the radial equation, but it gets really messy and I'm not sure if I know how to simplify it. I also don't know what to do with the V and E quantities.
 
And I assumed that the stuff not depending on R was equal to some constant A to help make it easier... would that screw my answer up?
 
atarr3 said:
You mean like an equation like this?

[tex]\frac{1}{a_{0}^{3/2}}\frac{4}{81\sqrt{6}}\left(6-\frac{r}{a_{0}}\right)\frac{r}{a_{0}}e^{-r/3a_{0}}[/tex]

Yup.

I tried using that and plugging it into the radial equation, but it gets really messy and I'm not sure if I know how to simplify it. I also don't know what to do with the V and E quantities.

[itex]V[/itex] is just the Coulomb potential, and if the electron is in the [itex]n=3[/itex] state, shouldn't [itex]E[/itex] be [itex]E_3[/itex] (which you should have an equation for)?
 
Ok so [tex]V =\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\frac{-e^{2}}{r}[/tex] and E is just [tex]\frac{-E_{0}}{n^{2}}[/tex]? And that will all cancel out if I plug everything in?
 
Yup.
 
Wow. Ok. Thank you so much! You've saved me a great deal of work.
 
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Also, try finding [tex]\frac {2\mu V}{\hbar ^2}[/tex] and [tex]\frac {2\mu E_n}{\hbar^2}[/tex] in terms of [itex]a_0[/itex] and [itex]r[/itex]. It might make it easier.
 
  • #11
Just to verify that this is correct, I'm getting [tex]\frac{2\mu V}{\hbar^{2}}=\frac{-2}{a_{0}r}[/tex] and [tex]\frac{2\mu E}{\hbar^{2}}=\frac{-1}{9a_{0}^{2}}[/tex] I'm getting almost everything to cancel out, but not quite everything. There might be an error in my derivatives.
 
  • #12
Ok I just got the answer. Thank you all so much for your help!
 

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