Solutions to Differential equations

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The discussion revolves around solving ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically addressing the challenges of finding implicit versus explicit solutions. Participants are exploring the nature of integrating factors and their dependence on variables in the context of non-exact equations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the transformation of a given differential equation and the search for integrating factors. There is uncertainty about whether integrating factors can depend on both variables or if they must be solely functions of one variable. Questions arise regarding the validity of implicit solutions and the expectations of instructors regarding explicit solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts at finding integrating factors and clarifying the nature of solutions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the computation of integrating factors, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or the acceptance of different types of solutions.

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Participants express confusion about the definitions and requirements for solutions in their ODE course, particularly regarding the expectations for implicit versus explicit solutions. There is mention of a specific example that raises questions about the method being used.

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I'm taking my first ODE course, and I'm unsure what is meant in this question when it asks "Solve the following differential equation" (I have a list of DEs to solve). Some of them are really messy and I can't figure out an implicit solution. Would an explicit solution be acceptable?

Example:

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x}{x^2y+y^3}

Since this isn't an exact equation, I transform it and find the integrating factor

\frac{dy}{dx}(x^2y+y^3) - x = 0

and setting the partials \frac{∂}{∂x}N(x,y)μ(x) = \frac{∂}{∂y}M(x,y)μ(x)

I get μ(x) = \frac{1}{x^2+y^2}

I thought the integrating factor was supposed to be only a function of x, I may have made a mistake there.

Then I take \frac{∂}{∂y}\int M(x,y)μ(x) dx

and I find f(x,y)=C=\frac{x^2+y^2}{2} - ln(x^2+y^2)


This just doesn't look right, I feel like I'm using the wrong method. Can someone clear this up for me please?
 
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Locoism said:
I'm taking my first ODE course, and I'm unsure what is meant in this question when it asks "Solve the following differential equation" (I have a list of DEs to solve). Some of them are really messy and I can't figure out an implicit solution. Would an explicit solution be acceptable?

Example:

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{x}{x^2y+y^3}

Since this isn't an exact equation, I transform it and find the integrating factor

\frac{dy}{dx}(x^2y+y^3) - x = 0

and setting the partials \frac{∂}{∂x}N(x,y)μ(x) = \frac{∂}{∂y}M(x,y)μ(x)

I get μ(x) = \frac{1}{x^2+y^2}

I thought the integrating factor was supposed to be only a function of x, I may have made a mistake there.

Then I take \frac{∂}{∂y}\int M(x,y)μ(x) dx

and I find f(x,y)=C=\frac{x^2+y^2}{2} - ln(x^2+y^2)


This just doesn't look right, I feel like I'm using the wrong method. Can someone clear this up for me please?

First convert it to:

Mdx+Ndy=0

You can do that. I get:

xdx-(x^2 y+y^3)dy=0

Now compute:

\mu=\frac{1}{M}\left(\frac{\partial M}{\partial y}-\frac{\partial N}{\partial x}\right)

I get \mu=2y but I did that quick so double-check it. Therefore, the integrating factor is:

e^{-\int \mu dy}

Now apply that integrating factor to the DE and solve it as an exact DE. And to "solve" a DE is to find a function y(x) for example, which when substituted into the DE, satisfies the expression.
 
Yes that's right, but I was under the impression the integrating factor would be a function of x, seeing as when we assume ∂μ/∂y = 0, this would be false if μ = 2y, and consequently fail to make the equation exact. So can the integrating factor be a function of y, or even both x and y?
 
Locoism said:
Yes that's right, but I was under the impression the integrating factor would be a function of x, seeing as when we assume ∂μ/∂y = 0, this would be false if μ = 2y, and consequently fail to make the equation exact. So can the integrating factor be a function of y, or even both x and y?

Yes, integrating factor can be a function of x and y for example:

y(x^3-y) dx-x(x^3+y)dy=0

the integrating factor is \frac{1}{yx^2}

Find "Differential Equations" by Rainville and Bedient. Good book I think.
 
Generally speaking, "implicit" solutions cannot be written as explicit functions of x. Whether your instructor will accept such solutions even when, by trying a little harder, you could have found an explicit function, you will have to ask your instructor!
 

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