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The discussion revolves around the definition of algebraically solvable polynomials within the context of field extensions and Galois theory. Participants explore the implications of this definition, particularly regarding polynomials over different fields, such as the rationals and the complex numbers.

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  • One participant presents a definition of algebraically solvable polynomials and suggests that all polynomials in \(\mathbb{Q}[X]\) might be considered algebraically solvable based on this definition.
  • Another participant argues that the definition is misapplied by overlooking the field \(\mathbb{Q}\), asserting that while all polynomials over \(\mathbb{C}[X]\) are solvable, this does not extend to \(\mathbb{Q}[X]\).
  • A question is raised about the necessity of selecting the smallest field \(K\) for the polynomial before applying the solvability definition.
  • Another participant clarifies that \(K\) is predetermined and not a choice made by the user.
  • A suggestion is made to refine the terminology from "polynomial being algebraically solvable" to "polynomial being algebraically solvable in some field" for clarity.
  • One participant agrees that the implicit nature of the field \(K\) is acknowledged in the definition provided.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the application of the definition of algebraically solvable polynomials, particularly in relation to the field over which the polynomial is defined. There is no consensus on whether all polynomials in \(\mathbb{Q}[X]\) are algebraically solvable.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in the understanding of field extensions and the conditions under which polynomials are considered solvable. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the definitions used and the assumptions about the fields involved.

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I've now read a definition like this. A polynomial f\in K[X] is algebraically solvable if the root field N=K(x_1,\ldots, x_n) (here x_1,\ldots, x_n are the roots of the polynomial) is contained in some field extension E of K, for which there exists a sequence of field extension K=E_0\subset E_1\subset\cdots\subset E_n=E so that E_{k+1} = E_k(a) with a^n\in E_k with some n.

I must have understood something wrong, because now it seems that for example all polynomials f\in\mathbb{Q}[X] are algebraically solvable. The reason is this. The polynomial is also f\in\mathbb{C}[X], the root field is \mathbb{C}(x_1,\ldots, x_n)=\mathbb{C}, and it is contained in the trivial field extension where nothing is added.

Anything that reduced my confusion would be appreciated.
 
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You've completely forgotten the Q. You can't do that.

Of course, all polys over C[x] are solvable - they are all reducible to linear factors over C, so the Galois theory there is completely vacuous.
 
With given polynomial f=a_n X^n+ \cdots a_1 X + a_0, we are supposed to choose as small field K as possible, so that f\in K[X], before using the definition of polynomial being algebraically solvable?
 
You don't "choose" K. K is given to you.
 
So instead of speaking about some "polynomial being algebraically solvable", be should more precisely speak about "polynomial being algebraically solvable in some field"?
 
Yes, but that was implicit in saying f(x) in K[x].
 

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