Solve 2 unknowns x & y in System of Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving two unknowns, x and y, represented by the equations x² + y² = 1 and x²⁰⁰⁶ + y²⁰⁰⁶ = 1. Participants are exploring potential solutions and properties of these equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss rearranging equations and substituting variables, with one suggesting a derived equation from subtraction. Others explore the implications of the signs of terms in the derived equation and question the necessity of the binomial theorem.

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There is an active exchange of ideas, with some participants offering hints and guidance on the properties of the equations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the implications of the derived terms and the potential for additional solutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the conditions |x|, |y| ≤ 1, and the implications of these constraints on the derived terms in the equations. There is also mention of the concept of a supercircle and its relationship to the problem, though clarity on its application remains limited.

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Hi,
I just came across this problem some days ago, and I am tearing all my hair to solve it. :cry: :cry: :cry: I am nearly bald now... :cry: :cry:

The problem asks to solve for 2 unknowns x, and y:
[tex]\left\{ \begin{array}{ccc} x ^ 2 + y ^ 2 & = & 1 \\ x ^ {2006} + y ^ {2006} & = & 1 \end{array} \right.[/tex]

I know there should be two sets of roots:
[tex]\left\{ \begin{array}{ccc} x & = & 1 \\ y & = & 0 \end{array} \right. \quad \mbox{or} \quad \left\{ \begin{array}{ccc} x & = & 0 \\ y & = & 1 \end{array} \right.[/tex]

So, I rearranged the first equation to: x2 = 1 - y2, and substituted this to the second equation, leaving me an equation of power 2004. I must be missing something really big.

I think there should be another easy way to solve the problem. Can anyone just give me a small crack at it?

Thanks in advance. :smile:
 
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Subtract the two equations from each other, yielding:
[tex]x^{2}(1-x^{2004})+y^{2}(1-y^{2004})=0[/tex]
What can you say about the signs of each term here, and what does that further imply?
 
Uhmmm... Let's see if I can get it correct
x2(1 - x2004) + y2(1 - y2004) = 0
The sign of each term depends on (1 - x2004), and (1 - y2004) respectively.
Both can be 0, that's the case mentioned above.
The other case is one must be negative and one must be positive. Say (1 - x2004) < 0, and (1 - y2004) > 0
That means x > 1, or x < -1 (cannot satisfy either equation), and -1 < y < 1. Hence, this case cannot happen.

Am I doing it correctly?
 
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[tex]x ^ {2006} + y ^ {2006} & = & 1[/tex]

is an example of a supercircle.

Examing it's properties may help you see the values of x and y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squircle"
 
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Big fat stinking hint:
[tex]x^2+y^2=1[/tex]
so
[tex]\left(x^2+y^2\right)^{1003}=1^{1003}=1[/tex]
 
You're on the right track!

However, from your original equations, what can you say about |x| and |y|, and what will this info provide you with clues as to the signs of the terms in the derived equation?
 
Binomial theorem helps. (x^2+y^2)^{1003} = x^2006+y^2006 + nonnegative stuff.

Stuff is zero for certain x and y.

I think you get more solutions than what you wrote.
 
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Why need the binomial theorem??

From the first original equations, we know that |x|,|y|<=1, and therefore, we have:
[tex]0\leq{x}^{2}(1-x^{2004}),0\leq{y}^{2}(1-y^{2004})[/tex]
since the sum of these terms equals 0, we must have:
[tex]x^{2}(1-x^{2004})=0[/tex]
And:
[tex]y^{2}(1-y^{2004})=0[/tex]
This system of equations is readily solved, and by insertion of the solutions of this system into the first system, we find which solutions that system has.
 
Yeah, thanks everyone for their help. I got it now. :smile:

@jing: I still don't know how to use Squircle to solve the problem. The article doesn't say much about its properties. :frown: Can you explain it a little bit more? :) Thanks
 
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VietDao29 said:
Yeah, thanks everyone for their help. I got it now. :smile:

@jing: I still don't know how to use Squircle to solve the problem. The article doesn't say much about its properties. :frown: Can you explain it a little bit more? :) Thanks

Though that looking at the pictures may help you see that the super circle lies within the circle and hence help you see |x| <=1 and |y| <=1
 
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jing said:
Though that looking at the pictures may help you see that the super circle lies within the circle and hence help you see |x| <=1 and |y| <=1
Thanks, jing. :smile:
 

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