Solve a = b^(logx), for x: Steps & Explanation

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation a = b^(logx) for x. Participants explore various methods for simplifying the equation, focusing on the use of logarithmic identities and the implications of choosing different logarithmic bases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests removing the functions around x by applying inverse functions, specifically recommending taking log_b of both sides.
  • Another participant argues against taking log base b, proposing instead to use the logarithm of whatever base is present in the equation.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of using different bases, suggesting that it complicates the process unnecessarily.
  • Some participants present similar steps involving logarithmic identities, but with differing approaches to base selection, leading to varied interpretations of the simplification process.
  • One participant emphasizes separating the tasks of making x the subject and choosing a logarithmic base that is easy to evaluate.

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Participants express differing opinions on the choice of logarithmic base and the steps involved in solving the equation. No consensus is reached regarding the best method to approach the problem.

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Participants have not resolved the implications of using different logarithmic bases, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the simplification process.

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I can't seem to remember how you solve a = b^(logx), for x. What are the steps for simplifying this again?
 
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Remove the functions around x by applying their inverse functions to both sides.

So first take log_b of both sides, then exponentiate them.
 
I would NOT recommend taking log base b. Instead take log of whatever base that is in your equation.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I would NOT recommend taking log base b. Instead take log of whatever base that is in your equation.

Any reason for that? Seems like it would just make things confusing. What's wrong with:

a = b^[log(x)]
log_b(a) = log(x)
exp[log_b(a)] = x

Here I assume log(x) means natural log. Otherwise replace exp() with 10^ or whatever the base is.
 
[tex]a&=b^\log{x}[/tex]
[tex]\log{a}&=\log{b}\log{x}[/tex]
[tex]\log{x}&=\frac{\log{a}}{\log{b}}[/tex]
[tex]\log{x}&=\log_b{a}[/tex]

and from definition of logarithm:
[tex]x=10^\log_b{a}[/tex]
 
hradecek said:
[tex]a&=b^\log{x}[/tex]
[tex]\log{a}&=\log{b}\log{x}[/tex]
[tex]\log{x}&=\frac{\log{a}}{\log{b}}[/tex]
[tex]\log{x}&=\log_b{a}[/tex]

and from definition of logarithm:
[tex]x=10^\log_b{a}[/tex]

Isn't that just the same, but with unnecessary extra steps requiring 2 additional log rules?
 
I just don't see any point in messing with the different bases.

From [itex]y= b^{log(x)}[/itex], we get [itex]log(y)= log(b)log(x)[itex]so that <br /> [tex]log(x)= \frac{log(y)}{log(b)}[/tex]<br /> <br /> [tex]x= e^{\frac{log(y)}{log(b)}}[/tex]<br /> or <br /> [tex]x= 10^{\frac{log(y)}{log(b)}}[/tex][/itex][/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
I just don't see any point in messing with the different bases.

It depends what your intention is. If you feel uglied having logs with strange bases in the intermediate working then better do it your way.

My way has the advantage of seperating out two tasks -
1. Make x the subject (main goal)
2. Get the logs into a base you can evaluate easily (optional extra)

Maybe it's my programmer mentality trying to avoid 'spaghetti maths'.
 

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