Solve Balancing Weights Homework: x Distance from Left End of Beam

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The problem involves a beam in static equilibrium with weights attached at both ends, requiring the determination of the distance from one end of the beam to the point where the rope is attached. The beam has a mass of 10.0 kg, with additional masses of 40.0 kg and 14.9 kg at either end, and the tension in the rope is given.

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  • Participants discuss the application of torque and equilibrium conditions, questioning the role of the beam's mass in the torque calculations. There are attempts to set up equations based on the forces and distances involved, but some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding the attachment point of the rope and the center of mass of the beam.

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The discussion is exploring various interpretations of the problem setup, particularly regarding the attachment point of the rope and the calculation of torque. Some participants have suggested methods to find the center of gravity, while others are questioning the implications of the beam's mass on the torque calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the beam's mass and its position relative to the attachment point of the rope, which is not specified in the problem statement. This has led to discussions about the assumptions that need to be made in order to proceed with the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A beam of mass 10.0 kg, is suspended from the ceiling by a single rope. It has a mass 40.0 kg attached at one end and a mass of 14.9 attached at the other. The beam has a length of L = 3 m, it is in static equilibrium, and it is horizontal. The tension in the rope is T = 637 N.
Determine the distance, x, from the left end of the beam to the point where the rope is attached

Homework Equations


Torque = Force Distance
3 = x1 +x2

The Attempt at a Solution



40 (X1) = 14.9 (X2) (since it's in equilibrium)
40 (3-X2) = 14.9 (X2)
120 - 40(X2) = 14.9 (X2)
120 = 54.9 (X2)
2.186 = X2

I have the feeling that I'm going to feel like an idiot once someone points out the problem with this to me...
 
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Since the beam itself has a mass of 10.0 kg, shouldn't it also provide a torque as the rope is NOT connected to the middle of it. (the torque due to the force acting through the Centre of mass of the beam)
 
Don't assume the rope is attached at the center of the beam. They did not say that in the problem.

You are going to have to assume that the rope is not attached at the center and thus the weight force on the beam itself will cause torque about the pivot.
 
The beam is horizontal, so the rope will be located at the center of gravity of the beam.

So try solving for the location of the center of gravity.
 
That makes sense. I have this question though? How do I solve for how much torque the beam provides if I don't know what position it is in? And how do I solve for position if I don't know the torque? It looks like chicken and egg syndrome to me, though I know there has to be a way to solve it...
 
I know (x1m1 + x2m2) / m1+m2 = Center of Gravity
And I know m1 = 14, m2 = 40, and x1+x2=3, but that leaves me with:

14x1 + 40 (3-x1) / 54 = Center of Gravity
There are two unknowns: x1 and Center of Gravity, and each is used to solve for the other. How do I solve?
 

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