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The discussion revolves around solving the complex number equation z^2 + 4\overline{z} + 4 = 0, where z is a complex number. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation and the nature of its solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the equation, questioning whether it should be treated as a standard quadratic or one involving the complex conjugate. There are attempts to substitute z = a + ib and \overline{z} = a - ib into the equation, leading to various simplifications and the need to equate real and imaginary parts. Some participants express confusion about the necessity of separating z and \overline{z} and the implications for finding all solutions.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the substitution of complex numbers and the importance of equating real and imaginary components. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, and while some solutions have been proposed, there is no explicit consensus on the final answers.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the requirement to find all solutions, which includes both real and imaginary components. There is mention of confusion regarding the notation used in the equation and the implications of the complex conjugate.

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find all the solutions to z^2+4z ̅+4=0 where z is a complex number.
 
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Is the quadratic z^2+4z+4? Simply use the quadratic formula.
 
i think I'm getting confused so is the answer for z=2 or do i have to represent it as complex 2isquared? because the question asks for all solution so i don't think 2 is right... and what does the bar on top of the z mean?
 
ronho1234 said:
i think I'm getting confused so is the answer for z=2 or do i have to represent it as complex 2isquared? because the question asks for all solution so i don't think 2 is right... and what does the bar on top of the z mean?

Oh I see, so you were trying to solve z^2+4\overline{z}+4=0 then? Because in your OP I'm just seeing a box that is being replaced by whatever you wanted to write down.

If it's just z^2+4z+4 then you can simply factorize it into (z+2)^2=0 which would give you the answer of z=-2, but this can't be right because the question already stated that z is a complex number (imaginary part is not 0 by assumption).

If it's z^2+4\overline{z}+4=0 then you'll need to use the fact that z=a+ib and \overline{z}=a-ib and plug these values into the expression and then simplify and equate the real and imaginary parts.
What I mean by equating them is if you end up with something like ab+2+(a-1)i=0 then what you can take away from this is that ab+2=0 and a-1=0 because the LHS is equal to the RHS thus the real part on the LHS is equal to 0 on the RHS, and the imaginary part on the LHS is equal to the imaginary part on the RHS (the RHS is equal to 0+0i).
 
so i partially understand what you have
so i did something like this:
z = a+ib and zbar=a-ib
because i split them like you said (z+2i)(z-2i)=0
so i made a+ib=z+2 and a-ib=zbar+2
so z=a+ib-2 and zbar=a-ib-2
i put these back into th eqn (a+ib-2)squared +4(a-ib-2)+4=0
then i expand and simplify i get a squared+2aib-8ib-b-4=0
and so (a squared -b-4)+2i(ab-4b)=0?
then a squared -b=4 and ab=4b
so a=4 and b=12?
then so i get z=4+12i and zbar=4-12i ?
i don't get why we have to split it as z and zbar...
 
Whew that was a tough one to follow.

ronho1234 said:
so i did something like this:
z = a+ib and zbar=a-ib
because i split them like you said (z+2i)(z-2i)=0

Ok stop right there. Where did I say to "split them" as such? If z=a+ib and \overline{z}=a-ib then substituting these values into

z^2+4\overline{z}+4=0

gives us

(a+ib)^2+4(a-ib)+4=0

Now expand, simplify, and collect the real and imaginary parts and equate them.
 
i reread your explanation and redid it
so what i did was sub a+ib and a-ib straight into z^2+4zbar+4=0
and i got a squared -b squared +4 + 4a +2bi(a-2) = o
and then a-2=0 a=2 and a squared -b squared +4+4a=0
and i get a=2 and b=+/-4
do i sub these back into z and z bar or something?
 
so my solutions are: z=2+4i and z=2-4i??
 
ronho1234 said:
so my solutions are: z=2+4i and z=2-4i??

And z=-2. Real numbers are a subset of the complex plane.
 
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ronho1234 said:
i reread your explanation and redid it
so what i did was sub a+ib and a-ib straight into z^2+4zbar+4=0
and i got a squared -b squared +4 + 4a +2bi(a-2) = o

So far so good.

and then a-2=0 a=2

OR b=0.

That's also a valid solution.

and a squared -b squared +4+4a=0
and i get a=2 and b=+/-4
do i sub these back into z and z bar or something?

When you sub b=0 back into this, you get a2 + 4a + 4=0, which will give you a=-2, b=0; the only real solution z=-2 which I mentioned in my last post.

So there are three solutions in total.
 
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yep... so my solutions are z=2+4i, z=2-4i and z=-2
thankyou!
 
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In the future use punctuation and be neater so people can help you easily!
 

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