Solve Dynamical System: Find Fixed Points and k Value for Origin

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The problem involves a dynamical system defined by two differential equations, aiming to find fixed points and determine a specific value of k for which the origin acts as a fixed point. The context is rooted in the study of dynamical systems and their stability.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which the origin is a fixed point, exploring the implications of setting derivatives to zero. There is uncertainty about the meaning of fixed points and the relationship between k and the variables U and V.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants attempting to clarify the requirements for k and its relationship to U and V. Some participants have proposed potential expressions for k based on the conditions for fixed points, while others are questioning the reasoning and steps taken.

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There is a mention of arbitrary real numbers and the implications of specific values for k, as well as the need for further exploration of the system's orbits and trajectories in the UV-plane.

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Homework Statement



[itex]\frac{dU}{dz} = V, \frac{dV}{dz}=k+cU-6U^{2}[/itex] c [itex]\in[/itex] ℝ

Find the fixed points of the system (these are solutions U=U*, V=V* where U*,V* [itex]\in[/itex] ℝ) and determine the value of k so that the origin is a fixed point of the system

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I'm not too familiar with dynamical systems but I believe that we want

[itex]\frac{dU}{dz}|_{V=V^{*}} = V^{*} = 0[/itex]

and

[itex]\frac{dV}{dz}| _{U=U^{*}} = k+cU-6U^{2} = k+cU^{*}-6(U^{*})^{2} = 0[/itex]

So we want a value of k so that the origin is a fixed point of the system. I'm not quite sure what this means.
 
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Hi BrainHurts! :smile:
BrainHurts said:
So we want a value of k so that the origin is a fixed point of the system. I'm not quite sure what this means.

It means dU/dz and dV/dz are both 0 at (U,V) = (0,0) :wink:
 
So the origin is a fixed point of the system when k=6(U*)2 + cU*?
 
BrainHurts said:
So the origin is a fixed point of the system when k=6(U*)2 + cU*?

(you mean " - cU* " :wink:)

that's a strange way of putting it, but yes …

so what is k ? :smile:
 
yes haha sorry, k is some arbitrary real number, but for (U,V)=(0,0) being a fixed point implies that

V*=0

and 6U*2-cU*-k=0

this gives us

U*= [itex]\frac{c\pm\sqrt{c^{2}+24k}}{12}[/itex], but we want U*=0 which means that means that k=0 right?

[itex]0=\frac{c\pm\sqrt{c^{2}-24k}}{12} \Rightarrow -c=\pm\sqrt{c^{2}-24k} \Rightarrow c^{2}=c^{2} - 24k[/itex] and we get k = 0
 
BrainHurts said:
yes haha sorry, k is some arbitrary real number, but for (U,V)=(0,0) being a fixed point implies that

V*=0

and 6U*2-cU*-k=0

this gives us

U*= [itex]\frac{c\pm\sqrt{c^{2}+24k}}{12}[/itex], but we want U*=0 which means that means that k=0 right?

[itex]0=\frac{c\pm\sqrt{c^{2}-24k}}{12} \Rightarrow -c=\pm\sqrt{c^{2}-24k} \Rightarrow c^{2}=c^{2} - 24k[/itex] and we get k = 0

Sure, k=0. You didn't really need the quadratic equation to draw that conclusion, but ok.
 
Ok going on to the next part of this question

c) Find the equations for the orbits of the system, these are the trajectories in the UV-plane determined by functions of the form V=V(U) and show that a first integral of the orbit equation is

V2=2kU + cU2-4U3+h

So in doing so I got

[itex]\frac{dV}{dU}=\frac{\frac{dV}{dz}}{\frac{dU}{dz}}=\frac{k+cU-6U^{2}}{V} \Rightarrow VdV = (k+cU-6U^{2})dU[/itex] and this gives us the desired result.

So one place where I read what orbits are are objects like V(U), V(V(U))... so I'm not really sure when to stop.
 
nm found some good reading on this

http://math.colorado.edu/~jkeller/math4430fall10/Orbits.pdf
 
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